Hi.... this is something i just don`t understand......i have worked with cisco for 2 years + and have recently passed my NP...what i dont understand is how people can claim to pass 4 exam`s in 2 weeks ...... i have to work for a living and i just don`t have the time to study 10 hours a day.... So OK i passed all 4 NP first time in 3mths.....the CCDA took 2 attempts the CCNA V1/V2 was also a first time pass..... the CCIE written tokk also 2 attempts but i still don`t see how it can be done......in such a small time frame i now several CCIE`s who are very active in the industry who i have instructed about different technologys...so it not as if i a suffering from lack of expsosure.... WHAT IS YOUR SECRET....?????? please pass it on :-) steve >From: "JC" >Reply-To: "JC" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Passing Exams without a lab!! Read this its a thought [7:9006] >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:28:09 -0400 > >Hello, > > I just couldn't resist stating this on the groupstudy, please respond >with your feelings on this matter. I started studying for my CCNA back in >October of last year. I was lazy so I took my time and passed the test in >December of last year. I got lazy for a while and then I began studying >for >my CCNP in April. at the end of May I took my certification tests, my goal >was to take: > >1) CCNP Foundation Exam 2.0 >2) CCNP CIT 2.0 Exam >3) CCDA Exam >4) CCDP Exam > > Within a two week time frame I passed all of these exams. What is my >point, I'm dissapointed that I was able to pass all of these exams in two >weeks. The state of certification today stinks in my opinion. They offer >you multiple choice exams, why? So many people are getting certified in >this and certified in that, that after awhile our certs will be of no >value. >The only reason the CCIE is the almighty is because you have to take a lab >to pass it. Why don't they require everyone to take a lab test for all >levels of tests. It does not have to be a full blown equipment lab but why >can't the tests be virtual in nature. Setup a virtual lab test sorta like >the Sybex CCNA simulator setup, and make people enter some crucial commands >by memory or fill in the blank. Specify the connector that should be >attached to this interface, configure the CSU, etc... etc... See, the >problem is, I've studied for multiple choice tests all of my life, In >college you took the same multiple choice tests, however every once in a >while you had to be creative and pass an essay exam which truly tested your >ability to know the process and know the facts. I realize it is easier to >write a multiple choice exam and make money, but from our perspective it >cheats us. The problem is that I studied my ass off to pass the tests, but >a lot of the information you study for a multiple choice test leaves your >head instantaneously. If all Certification tests reguardless of level >included a lab portion it would test our ability to be creative with a >design on a design exam, or test our troubleshooting knowledge on a >troubleshooting exam, not merely remember a fact. > I owe a lot to certifications because they have helped my career >along, >but in the same vein I still can't survive without my degree. The >credibility of exams these days is diminishing along with the economy. As >long as it is a "dog eat- dog world" as we have always known it to be, we >are all in trouble. The only people that stand to make money off of us by >writing multiple choice exams are the vendors of the equipment and those >who >train us. W are getting ripped off here guys and there will never be an >end >to the price increases on exams and labs if we don't work to improve the >quality of the exams that are given. If everyone can pass these exams >without ever touching any equipment then these certifications mean nothing. >My heart tells me that the CCIE is the most coveted by all because it >challenges your true ability to function in a real world scenario, and not >everyone has it because their is a lab portion which truly tests our skills >not just our memorization ability. Have you ever worked with the guy who >knows everything, yet you study for all those certifications and you still >feel completely inferior around him. Sure your title says "CC this and MC >that," but while your studying, the know it all veteran with no >certifications is basically running the business by keeping the network >running, keeping management happy, keeping customers happy, and most of all >contributing to the profitability of the company. > This is not meant to be a cut on any of us networkers, and I'm not >saying I'm any different then the rest. However, my goal on certifications >has changed dramatically. If there is not a lab component I'm not >interested. We have to fight for the value of our studies, if not then we >will all be searching for a new line of work. > > >Thanks, > >JC _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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