Instead of looking at the bad side of things, why we do not concentrate in who is going to be around to clean the mess. In a few months some of these companies that have cleared the deck will need people to operate the equipment. This is all across the board. Iam using this time to look at what is out there and how I can benefit from it. I will be meeting with other friends and see what we can get out of this slowdown so we are there when the tide turns. I will continue learning, Cisco, Win 2k MCSE, XML and other before is to late, I think that is always better to blame some one else for our failures, but why instead we do not use it to our advantage (Iam well aware that without a job will be hard) now is the time that we need to retrench and see our weaknesses and fix then. Sorry if this sound that Iam directing it a one person, but its not, Its for everyone. Ramon Ferreris ----- Original Message ----- From: "hal9001" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Re: CCIE market FLOOD !! was: Current Wait time on the lab [7:12861] > Fine but the obvious one is Nortel, but look how many they have fired, > Ericsson the same and I've had experience of their Tigress and Congo/Danube > etc range. Bad support for a poor product. Extreme are in trouble, Juniper > and Foundry very small. 3Com basically out of it and I think must have seen > it coming. I am of the opinion you really have to get a wide spread of > experience and certifications. > > Microsoft have come a cropper because the MCSE 2000 is too hard for most > established MCSE's and they are failing the exams especially Design. It > looks like they will introduce a mid-way type of MCSE that does not have to > bother with Design Issues. Much of those bear a striking relationship to > CCDA/CCDP. In addition there is talk of a Microsoft/Cisco link with W2K, > XP, and IOS having a special links and interactions sets. Food for thought. > Novell seems to be losing market ground and therefore the CNA/CNE looks less > of a good bet. > > Security is a good area Checkpoint (53% market share) CCSA/CCSE 2000 looks > good and would mix well with knowledge of PIX etc. I think its time to be > creative and look elsewhere than just Cisco. Keep em on the back burner > still do the studies they will be back but not next week! I know I've had > to jump ship a bit and I'm now having to learn HTML as well.....whatever > next! Anyone need the car washing? > > Karl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: CCIE market FLOOD !! was: Current Wait time on the lab > [7:12861] > > > > Its my believe that by being a CISCO person, it does not > > UN-qualify any one of us to work with other vendor > > equipment. What we now need to do is learn the other > > companies products so we have the edge on the situation. > > > > With some minor tweaks we should be able to support > > other equipment. > > > > This applies to all pc environments. The basics are the > > same, the rules - different order. > > > The market conditions are really depressing right now but that does not > > mean > > > that people > > > give up their dreams and stop working towards them . If you look at all > > the > > > certifications like CNE and MCSE they all had their better days and > anyone > > > who had them > > > was king but not anymore .That is the certification market for you . > Every > > > certification has a life and it is upto the Company to give its > > > certification a longer > > > life by making it more and more difficult and I guess Cisco has done a > > > commendable job > > > on that for the past 8 years but I think what cisco needs right now is > more > > > people using > > > thier products out their in the market so that they don't get crushed by > > the > > > competition > > > . So with that said , teh CCIE might still be able to get you in a lot > of > > > positions and > > > then its upto you . Just my 2 cents > > > > > > Jaspreet > > > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: > > > > > > > At 10:31 PM 7/17/01, KY wrote: > > > > > > > > >Here is what I came across from Mentortech's web site on the > > experience > > > of > > > > >a receiptionist they are looking for: > > > > >"Education & Experience: > > > > >At least one year previous experience as a receptionist, with > multi-line > > > > >phone system." > > > > > > > > > >What kind of phone system needs someone to get to level of being able > to > > > use > > > > >it a year later? > > > > > > > > It's VoIP. Just kidding. ;-) > > > > > > > > >A 12 year old can learn how to use any phone system in the world in > less > > > > >than 20mins. > > > > > > > > > >I guess in mentortech, they are looking for the Queen of experience. > > > > > > > > Or King. In the U.S. it is illegal to specify the sex of the job > > candidate > > > > you are seeking. > > > > > > > > >I know the reality is every employer is looking for experienced > people, > > > but > > > > >it does not mean it is not rediculous, at least in my eyes. The first > > one > > > > >implented MPLS on their proudction network had to use "inexperienced" > > > > >engineers doing it, I am pretty sure about that. > > > > > > > > > >Just my .02. > > > > > > > > > >KY > > > > ________________________ > > > > > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer > > > > http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=12891&t=12891 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
