How do you figure Extreme is in trouble? Monday's WSJ had an article about
the tech stocks slump and Extreme, Foundry, as well as a few others were
noted as part of the 15% that was generally considered to have "turned the
corner" and shown improvement.

Just curious, I hadn't heard anything about them being in trouble, on top
of that we just bought a boatload of their switches (which do seem so far
to work very well by the way)...

I need my car washed! :) Do you need any fries (chips) with that?


                                                                                       
                        
                   
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Fine but the obvious one is Nortel, but look how many they have fired,
Ericsson the same and I've had experience of their Tigress and Congo/Danube
etc range.  Bad support for a poor product.  Extreme are in trouble,
Juniper
and Foundry very small.  3Com basically out of it and I think must have
seen
it coming.  I am of the opinion you really have to get a wide spread of
experience and certifications.



Anyone need the car washing?

Karl
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> Its my believe that by being a CISCO person, it does not
> UN-qualify any one of us to work with other vendor
> equipment.  What we now need to do is learn the other
> companies products so we have the edge on the situation.
>
> With some minor tweaks we should be able to support
> other equipment.
>
> This applies to all pc environments.  The basics are the
> same, the rules - different order.
> > The market conditions are really depressing right now but that does not
> mean
> > that people
> > give up their dreams and stop working towards them . If you look at
all
> the
> > certifications like CNE and MCSE they all had their better days and
anyone
> > who had them
> > was king but not anymore .That is the certification market  for you .
Every
> > certification has a life and it is upto the Company to give its
> > certification a longer
> > life by making it more and more difficult and I guess Cisco has done a
> > commendable job
> > on that for the past 8 years but I think what cisco needs right now is
more
> > people using
> > thier products out their in the market so that they don't get crushed
by
> the
> > competition
> > . So with that said , teh CCIE might still be able to get you in a lot
of
> > positions and
> > then its upto you . Just my 2 cents
> >
> > Jaspreet
> >
> > Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
> >
> > > At 10:31 PM 7/17/01, KY wrote:
> > >
> > > >Here is what I came across from   Mentortech's web site on the
> experience
> > of
> > > >a receiptionist they are looking for:
> > > >"Education & Experience:
> > > >At least one year previous experience as a receptionist, with
multi-line
> > > >phone system."
> > > >
> > > >What kind of phone system needs someone to get to level of being
able
to
> > use
> > > >it a year later?
> > >
> > > It's VoIP. Just kidding. ;-)
> > >
> > > >A 12 year old can learn how to use any phone system in the world in
less
> > > >than 20mins.
> > > >
> > > >I guess in mentortech, they are looking for the Queen of experience.
> > >
> > > Or King. In the U.S. it is illegal to specify the sex of the job
> candidate
> > > you are  seeking.
> > >
> > > >I know the reality is every employer is looking for experienced
people,
> > but
> > > >it does not mean it is not rediculous, at least in my eyes. The
first
> one
> > > >implented MPLS on their proudction network had to use
"inexperienced"
> > > >engineers doing it, I am pretty sure about that.
> > > >
> > > >Just my .02.
> > > >
> > > >KY
> > > ________________________
> > >
> > > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > > http://www.priscilla.com




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