How do you figure Extreme is in trouble? Monday's WSJ had an article about the tech stocks slump and Extreme, Foundry, as well as a few others were noted as part of the 15% that was generally considered to have "turned the corner" and shown improvement. Just curious, I hadn't heard anything about them being in trouble, on top of that we just bought a boatload of their switches (which do seem so far to work very well by the way)... I need my car washed! :) Do you need any fries (chips) with that? "hal9001" cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: CCIE market FLOOD !! was: Current Wait time on the nobody@groups lab [7:12867] tudy.com 07/18/2001 04:06 PM Please respond to "hal9001" Fine but the obvious one is Nortel, but look how many they have fired, Ericsson the same and I've had experience of their Tigress and Congo/Danube etc range. Bad support for a poor product. Extreme are in trouble, Juniper and Foundry very small. 3Com basically out of it and I think must have seen it coming. I am of the opinion you really have to get a wide spread of experience and certifications. Anyone need the car washing? Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:33 PM Subject: Re: CCIE market FLOOD !! was: Current Wait time on the lab [7:12861] > Its my believe that by being a CISCO person, it does not > UN-qualify any one of us to work with other vendor > equipment. What we now need to do is learn the other > companies products so we have the edge on the situation. > > With some minor tweaks we should be able to support > other equipment. > > This applies to all pc environments. The basics are the > same, the rules - different order. > > The market conditions are really depressing right now but that does not > mean > > that people > > give up their dreams and stop working towards them . If you look at all > the > > certifications like CNE and MCSE they all had their better days and anyone > > who had them > > was king but not anymore .That is the certification market for you . Every > > certification has a life and it is upto the Company to give its > > certification a longer > > life by making it more and more difficult and I guess Cisco has done a > > commendable job > > on that for the past 8 years but I think what cisco needs right now is more > > people using > > thier products out their in the market so that they don't get crushed by > the > > competition > > . So with that said , teh CCIE might still be able to get you in a lot of > > positions and > > then its upto you . Just my 2 cents > > > > Jaspreet > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: > > > > > At 10:31 PM 7/17/01, KY wrote: > > > > > > >Here is what I came across from Mentortech's web site on the > experience > > of > > > >a receiptionist they are looking for: > > > >"Education & Experience: > > > >At least one year previous experience as a receptionist, with multi-line > > > >phone system." > > > > > > > >What kind of phone system needs someone to get to level of being able to > > use > > > >it a year later? > > > > > > It's VoIP. Just kidding. ;-) > > > > > > >A 12 year old can learn how to use any phone system in the world in less > > > >than 20mins. > > > > > > > >I guess in mentortech, they are looking for the Queen of experience. > > > > > > Or King. In the U.S. it is illegal to specify the sex of the job > candidate > > > you are seeking. > > > > > > >I know the reality is every employer is looking for experienced people, > > but > > > >it does not mean it is not rediculous, at least in my eyes. The first > one > > > >implented MPLS on their proudction network had to use "inexperienced" > > > >engineers doing it, I am pretty sure about that. > > > > > > > >Just my .02. > > > > > > > >KY > > > ________________________ > > > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer > > > http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=12931&t=12931 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]