At 10:01 PM 8/3/2001 -0400, Chuck Larrieu wrote: >as someone who once was in the position of managing help desk and system >admins, I have to butt in and say that the toughest problem I had in that >respect was getting people to think for themselves. I had employees whose >answer to everything was to reformat the hard drive, or reboot the "modem" > the net CSU's ) or worse yet come and ask me how to solve the problem ( why >do I need you if I'm doing all the work anyway? ) > >it could well be that the subordinates in question are lacking clue of any >kind. > >Chuck I will claim temporary timezone insanity here in England, but you remind me of one of the rejected plot lines in the movie "Pretty Woman". Julia Roberts was to have been taken to the Gardening and Fine Arts Society to shine, but, alas, became a social and intellectual failure there. Proving the adage, "you can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think." >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >GB >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 5:12 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Just how important is route summarization in typical >[7:14854] > > >Just ignore him DJ, what he's trying to do is just retain his "job security" >as head idiot. By telling his management that he is surrounded by a bunch >of "very junior NT admins" that can't do anything without him, he tries to >quanlify his value and necessity to the organization. > >What make an excellent manager is not one that can do everything, but teach >difficult concepts effectively and delegate those responsibilities >appropriately. CIO material this guy is definately not. > >As for working under this guy, how many of us would like to be greeted by >"Allright, punk-ass bitch what the hell do you not understand now?!?!" as >the beginning of his training sessions. I don't blame his "very junior NT >admins" from trying to stay away as far as possible from this guy... > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donald B Johnson jr" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 2:38 PM >Subject: Fw: Just how important is route summarization in typical [7:14842] > > > > I dont think this guy is stable. > > And it is still a moronic discussion. Who cares that he can't summarize > > because he is surronded by idiots. I mean am I missing something here. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "nrf" > > To: "Donald B Johnson jr" > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 2:05 PM > > Subject: Re: Just how important is route summarization in typical >[7:14814] > > > > > > > > > > Allright, punk-ass bitch. You got a problem with me? Did I ruin your > > day? > > > Why don't we meet somewhere and we'll settle it like men? Anytime, > > > anyplace, bitch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Donald B Johnson jr" > > > To: "nrf" ; > > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 3:54 PM > > > Subject: Re: Just how important is route summarization in typical > > [7:14814] > > > > > > > > > > Its nothing but morons for a fifty mile radius from you, and you can't > > use > > > > summarization because only you, the delhi-lama and elvs could ever > > > > understand it. > > > > What does this have to do with the original question. > > > > Why don't you just type up a spread sheet and paste it on the side of > > the > > > > router, they will never know if the routes are summarized. > > > > This is one of the most moronic discussions on this lists in a long > > time. > > > > Why are they just having a problem with summarization, if they are so > > > dumb. > > > > Oh and technically speaking supernets and summarization are two > > different > > > > things but I was hoping that delhi-lama elvis would knock ya off your > > high > > > > horse. > > > > I'll throw you a bone there biff, Not All Summarized routes are > > Supernets. > > > > Call me at 3am when you figure it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "nrf" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:26 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Just how important is route summarization in typical > > > [7:14814] > > > > > > > > > > > > > My biggest problem with summarization so far: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ring-Ring-Ring - my cellphone goes off at 3AM, I'm rudely awakened >and > > > > > blearily reach for it: > > > > > > > > > > "Hello?" - I say weakly > > > > > "Hey boss, I'm on the office router, and I can't see all the > > routes!!!" > > > > > "Well, that's probably because I summarized it, and you can only see > > the > > > > > supernets" > > > > > "Uhh, boss, what's summarization? What's a supernet?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's my biggest problem with summarization right there, it >requires > > a > > > > > higher level of understanding than my guys have. I got a bunch of > > > (very) > > > > > junior guys who know how to get into the router, they know how to do > > > "show > > > > > ip route ", and they know how to ping, and that's pretty much about >it > > > as > > > > > far as networks go. They don't know the intricacies of >subnetting, > > > > > supernetting, blah blah blah, I don't have time to teach them, and > > > quite > > > > > frankly I don't think they want to know anyway (they're just NT > > admins, > > > > and > > > > > that's what they want to spend their time doing). All they want, >and > > > > all > > > > > I want for them, is to be able to go to any router, and look for all > > the > > > > > routes in the network, that's all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose the presumption was that only I, or other skilled network > > guys > > > > > were taking care of this network, and this is not so. I hope > > everybody > > > > > sees in this light why I have an objection of using it in my >network. > > I > > > > am > > > > > not particularly inclined to do anything even a little bit complex > > > because > > > > I > > > > > am not the one who is going to maintain it. Ultimately, it's a > > > > > manageability thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > At 05:07 PM 8/2/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > >Ah, but why stop at 3, why not 30 or 300 or 3000 disasters all at > > > once? > > > > > > >Reason being at some point it really is not cost-effective to try > > to > > > > > > >engineer your systems to be even more safe, because the extra > > safety > > > > > margin > > > > > > >is not worth the massive amount of money you have to spend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So, goes to what I thought was my original question (but >apparently > > > it > > > > > has > > > > > > >been twisted around, so let me ask it again) - how large does >your > > > > > network > > > > > > >have to grow before it really starts to benefit from >summarization? > > > As > > > > > I'm > > > > > > >sure we're all aware, summarization is not all good, there are >some > > > bad > > > > > > >points to it - the biggest being that it is just simply harder to > > > > > > >troubleshoot a summarized network (because I can't see all the > > routes > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > >all my routers). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That puzzles me. I find summarization makes it easier to > > > troubleshoot -- > > > > > > binary search versus linear search, if you will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >By the way, I worked in the oil field for 9 years, and it's >pretty > > > > > > >dangerous. I've known people that died, and using systems that > > > > certainly > > > > > > >were not engineered to take 3 disasters at once. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >""Bill Pearch"" wrote in message > > > > > > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > > > Yes! > > > > > > > > An oil field engineer summed it up this way: When designing > > > > > something, > > > > > > > > design it so three disasters have to happen at the same time > > > before > > > > > > >someone > > > > > > > > gets killed. > > > > > > > > I hate it when networks just happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TTFN, > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:13 PM > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Just how important is route summarization in > > typical > > > > > > > > [7:14700] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In our industry, we assume something is going to wrong and >plan > > > for > > > > > it. > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > plan how to minimize the affects of a link going down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My $0.00000002 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priscilla Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=14947&t=14947 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
