Dish, Thanks for pointing out the change. I did read the article very carefully. The paragraph that includes; "Terms like MCSE (Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer) indicate only successful completion of the program and minimal competence in the product.", has been changed. Previously it said CCIE. The wonders of electronic publishing! Dave Swink -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Haller Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Larry Seltzer Article - Someone needs some glassess .. [7:20077] If anyone actually went and read the article by Larry Seltzer, you would have discovered that he refered to the MCSE certification, not the CCIE. I was ticked at Seltzer at first, but now that I see what he actually wrote, I agree with him. I got my MCSE in a box of CrackerJack !! It has taken over a year for me to gain the necessary knowledge and balls to take and pass the written, and even though my lab stae isnt until May of 2002, I still may not be ready. "minimal Competence" My Pa-too-tie !!! GOD BLESS AMERICA and all those who love her !!! Dish ===== Chris from Chicago MasterCNE, CCNP, ICNE, MCP __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=20090&t=20090 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]