No, I usually only feel stupid when I do something really idiotic. Like for example by making a complete ass out of myself by making completely erroneous statements on mailing lists, being obnoxious in the process and then pretending that it was all just a ploy when someone points out how erroneous I was. Course, no one would ever make themselves look so moronic by doing something like that, would they.
BTW, shouldn't you be under a bridge somewhere? -Kent PS I kind of like that, "big bad CCNA author", guess that makes me a BBCCNAA. ;-) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of KT Morgan Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Internet Routing Architectures 1st or 2nd edition? [7:26075] Well.. well.. well.. look what the list troll caught. It looks to be the big bad CCNA author himself. Now don't you feel stupid that you actually spent time answering this worthless e-mail? If you all; Howard, Chuck and Priscilla I'm talking to you so listen up, would just quit feeding the trolls they will go away. Don't be a sucker like some people, cough.. cough.. Kent. Now hopefully someone won't feel the need to reply to this and this troll will just fade away but if the troll does get some bites it's just going to reel them in. KT ""Kent Hundley"" wrote: > He won't be as suprised as you. I believe it is you who doesn't know the > law as well as you think, cough, cough. > > Bottom line, your completely incorrect. > > First, USC 17 is what we're talking about regarding Copyright law. One can > find it at: > > http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ > > The sections that are relevant for this discussion are 106, 108 and 109. > > First, section 106 spells out what exclusive rights are given to the owners > of copyrighted works. Section 109 then goes on to say what _limitations_ > there are on those exclusive rights. I quote: > > "(a) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106(3), the owner of a > particular copy or phonorecord lawfully made under this title, or any person > authorized by such owner, is entitled, without the authority of the > copyright owner, to sell or otherwise dispose of the possession of that copy > or phonorecord. " > > In other words, when you buy a book, i.e a copyrighted work, you can then > "sell or dispose of the possession of that copy". If I can find someone > willing to buy a book I just bought for 10 times what I purchased it for, I > can sell it to them. I can give it to someone ("dispose of possession") or > just burn it if I wish. The only caveat that would apply is that the book > must be purchased through an agency authorized by the publisher. If I buy a > book from a bookstore which purchased it from the printer authorized by the > publisher, the copy is "lawfully made under this title". (any legitimate > bookstore would fit this definition) I can then sell/dispose of that copy > however I want, I just can't make additional copies. > > HINT: This is why it's called COPY RIGHT, as long as you don't make > _additional_ copies you essentially have free use of your _particular_ copy. > > Common sense would tell you that this is true, if it were not then all used > book stores would be violating copyright laws. Used book stores and rare > book auctions are certainly common place enough and lucrative enough that > publishers would be coming after them if they were in any way a violation of > copyright. Obviously, they are not. > > Finally, according to section 108, the only extra rights that libraries are > given are in regard to _copying_ a copyrighted work. Obviously, this has no > relevance whatsoever to giving away a book that has been purchased. (yes, > lending a book to someone would be covered as "dispose of possession") > > In other words, it's just as Chuck said, the only danger of copyright > violation would be if one were to photocopy a book and then distribute it. > > Perhaps you should consider an apology to Chuck and I would advise you to do > your own research before instructing others. > > -Kent > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > KT Morgan > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 6:09 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Internet Routing Architectures 1st or 2nd edition? > [7:26050] > > > Well than prepare to be surprised there Chucky Boy. > You must not know much about the law.. cough.. cough.. > among other things ;-) > > Just take some time and search the internet for what > rights libraries are given that individuals aren't by > the publishers. Maybe then you can come back and > apologize to me. > > Waiting for your apology, > KT > > --- Chuck Larrieu wrote: > > I would be surprised to learn of anything in the > > copyright laws that > > prohibit my lending a book to someone else. I buy a > > book. My wife reads it > > too. She buys one, I read it. I buy a book and read > > it to my kids. So what? > > these acts are violations of the copyright laws? > > > > If I were to photocopy a book, and then give someone > > else that > > reproduction... well that's a different story. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > KT Morgan > > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 4:48 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Internet Routing Architectures 1st or > > 2nd edition? > > [7:26033] > > > > > > EA, > > > > Are you a library? Did the publisher of the book > > give > > you the right to "lend" your copy out like they do > > libraries? I think not. > > > > KT > > > > > > --- EA Louie wrote: > > > eh? no... I borrowed it from a buddy, then > > decided > > > to buy the 2nd edition > > > instead of the first. > > > > > > Besides, libraries do the same thing - loan books > > > out. Are you trying to > > > create a problem that doesn't exist? > > > > > > -e- > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "KT Morgan" > > > To: > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 3:35 PM > > > Subject: Re: Internet Routing Architectures 1st or > > > 2nd edition? [7:26008] > > > > > > > > > > Well well well.... aren't we the little pirate. > > > You > > > > buy a book, read it, then lend it to someone > > else. > > > Do > > > > you think that the author of the book > > appreciates > > > you > > > > letting someone read YOUR copy? He didn't pay > > for > > > it > > > > did he? He should support the author and buy his > > > own > > > > copy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ""EA Louie"" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Get the 2nd edition of IRA. I did :-) Bri > > has > > > the > > > > 1st ed if you ever need > > > > > to borrow it. > > > > > > > > > > Doyle Vol 1 is all IGP (RIP, IGRP, EIGRP, > > RIPv2, > > > > OSPF, ISIS, Redist, default > > > > > routing). It is, in my not-so-humble-opinion, > > > > indispensible and a 'must > > > > > have'. > > > > > > > > > > Doyle Vol 2 is EGP, BGP, Multicast, NAT. It, > > > after > > > > my reading, a 'nice to > > > > > have' as an all-in-one reference, but other > > > books > > > > cover some of the subjects > > > > > in a more complete manner. (for example, IRA > > > for > > > > BGP) > > > > > > > > > > -e- > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Eric Rivard" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 1:38 PM > > > > > Subject: Internet Routing Architectures 1st or > > > 2nd > > > > edition? [7:26000] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've heard everyone say that Internet > > Routing > > > > Architectures vol 1 from > > > > > > Cisco Press is a must have book to learn > > BGP. > > > I am > > > > wondering if I should > > > > > > get vol 1 or vol 2. It seems like they are > > > almost > > > > the same, but I know > > > > > > Jeff Doyles book vol 1 and 2 cover different > > > > topics. Has anyone read > > > > > > both and what do you recommend? > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric Rivard > > > > > > Sr. System Engineer > > > > > > MCSE CCNA CCDA CCSA CCSE > > > > > > Data Net Solutions, Inc. > > > > > > 858-278-5404 > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > to > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Find a job, post your resume. > > > > http://careers.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Find a job, post your resume. > > http://careers.yahoo.com > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com -- _______________________________________________ 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?170 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=26112&t=26112 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
