Thanks all for the different insights. Being in a teaching environment,
these are just what i need to be able to explain the behavior/process in
easier-to-digest terms.

Elmer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: OSPF Startup questions [7:33711]


> At 12:41 PM 1/30/02, Cebuano wrote:
> >i would think that regardless if there's a new
> >router with a higher RID that comes on line, the DR/BDR
> >should be the default MASTER to initiate the exchange
> >since he's got all the topology/links info in the area, except
> >of course for scenarios where there is no DR/BDR.
>
> Both neighbors have information to send. The master/slave business is just
> a temporary relationship to allow the neighbors to exchange their
> information in a reliable fashion. There's no real reason for one router
> instead of the other to become the master. Remember that protocol design
is
> modular. You should keep the database synchronization process separate
from
> the DR/BDR election.
>
> The synchronization process is the first step in the adjacency-building
> process. Each router describes its database by sending a sequence of
> database description packets to its neighbor.
>
> Each database description packet has a sequence number. Database
> description packets sent by the master (polls) are acknowledged by the
> slave through echoing of the sequence number. Both polls and their
> responses contain summaries of link-state data. The master is the only one
> allowed to retransmit database description packets.
>
> The OSPF protocol developers could have chosen some other method to ensure
> reliability, such as opening a TCP session or inventing a client/server
> protocol with the DR acting as the server on networks that have a DR.
> Instead they invented a master/slave protocol. It's just how they decided
> to implement it. If you think about it, you can see that their method has
> some advantages. If you were in a computer science protocol development
> class, you could write an essay on why their method is best. As a CCIE
> candidate, however, I'm tempted to say, "why ask why?" ;-)
>
> Priscilla
>
>
> >Elmer
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Rogell, Dennis"
> >To: "'Cebuano'"
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 12:19 PM
> >Subject: RE: OSPF Startup questions [7:33711]
> >
> >
> > > You can make the Dr the higher rid , and the answer to 3 is it looks
at
> > > sequence numbers not timestamps.If the information it receives is the
> same
> > > but the sequence number is greater that will be entered into ls
database.
> > >
> > > hth
> > >
> > > Dennis Rogell CNE, CCNP
> > > nextiraone
> > > Formally Milgo Solutions
> > > Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Phone: (954) 846-5128
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cebuano [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 08:38
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: OSPF Startup questions [7:33711]
> > > >
> > > > Hi, group.
> > > > I have a few questions to iron out regarding OSPF startup.
> > > >
> > > > 1. EXSTART - master/slave is created between each router and its
> >adjacent
> > > > DR/BDR.
> > > >     Q: But this "election" on who the master will be is mute because
> the
> > > > router with the higher RID (thus) the DR/BDR acts as the master,
right?
> >If
> > > > not, shouldn't the DR act as the master anyway since he ( or she) is
> the
> > > > central distribution point for the area's topology?
> > > >
> > > > 2. LOADING - slave router sends an LS request if the master's DBD
has a
> > > > more
> > > > up-to-date link-state entry.
> > > >     Q: "up-to-date" meaning timestamps?? But...what if there's no
NTP
> > > > server
> > > > to synchronize them?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > Elmer
> ________________________
>
> Priscilla Oppenheimer
> http://www.priscilla.com




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