Chuck,
There are still some very large Token Ring installations, although I don't
know why.  I would think it would be cheaper to phase it out during regular
maintenance.

As for forward looking?  I don't think that's what the CCIE is for.  CCIE
means you know (or should know) what you are doing with current core
technologies.  Not new, popular, technologies.  Although, there is the CCIE
Security certification, which deals with newer stuff.  People at Cisco have
talked about a AVVID type CCIE certification, too.

My opinion is CCIE is right for what people need.  You can show your
strengths by selecting the one matching your skills the best.  Or for that
matter, by selecting multiples.  Besides, it provides Cisco with another
revenue stream.

Ken

>>> "Chuck Larrieu"  02/02/02 11:32PM >>>
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2) what is it Cisco really considers CCIE level skill? In the past, things
like DecNet, Apollo, and Vines were core topics. Cisco has recently dropped
those, plus ATM LANE, presumably in response to market conditions. Which
leads one to ask - why token ring? The only real world token ring project I
have been involved with the past couple of years is ripping them out and
replacing them with ethernet. The apologia that there are still some major
token ring networks around is a bit lame. There are still some major DecNet
networks around, I'm sure. Until very recently ( and maybe they still are ),
a major utility company out this way was still running Vines. As was the U.S
Navy.

3) Is the CCIE a forward looking certification or not? Based on what I am
seeing in the marketplace, the advanced skill levels that one needs to meet
demand center around VPN, VoIP, wireless, security, and the underlying
infrastructure required to support these technologies. that means lots of
QoS, switching, L2-L3 interaction, ATM, giga-whatever, etc.

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