) And, I know that Appletalk is still in some of the CCNP v2 exams. However, it looks like you'll soon be able to scratch NLSP off the CCIE test. Keep your fingers crossed.
John ---- On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Tshon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I think that what your missing is that. Cisco is trying to one prepare > you for anything that > is out there, equipment that happens to be at end of life doesn't > gaurantee that you > won't see it out there. They are trying to make sure that you are > prepared to represent > their company. Secondly if you don't have any understanding about the > equipment > and you run into it, what's your suggestion.... just replace it, it > might work perfectly well, but we'll > replace it because you aren't familiar!!!! The test and the labs as > John knows are not > if he's taken the CCIE lab, are not hard they are over lots of > technology that has been around. > the same old situations exist with new ones. And you need to be > prepared for it all, in the > end you need to be prepared to use your resources and understand > quickly. A company > might be losing or wasting money because of you. So, why whine the test > > shows you > what you didn't know that is what a test does. Go back and bone up, > then you'll > pass. > > Tshon > > John Neiberger wrote: > > >If Cisco is asking questions about products that have been > >EOLed then they need to get some new test authors. :-) I just > >don't understand the difficulty in creating a decent test. > > > >Here's a suggestion for Cisco: > > > >Follow this list and the CCIE list for a week. Compile a list > >of the top 30 posters, with special considerations for the > >people who tend to answer most often. From that list, randomly > >pick ten, then pay them to write 30 test questions each. > > > >I promise you that the end result would be 300 questions that > >are higher quality than a majority of the questions Cisco has > >on their current exams. Repeat this process for each new exam > >needed. > > > >Now _that_ would be a killer beta test! > > > >Regards, > >John > > > >---- On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Robert Padjen > >([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > >>Greetings all - > >> > >>I have a discussion point that I am curious to get > >>feedback on from the group. I recently took another > >>Cisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at the > >>questions. > >> > >>For example, at least four questions regarded products > >>that no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them some > >>time ago. Other questions included choices that don't > >> > > > >>exist - at least I am unaware of a (sic) series router > >>for serial connections (it was a switch that does not > >>have a WIC slot). Still more questions had no > >>reasonable way to answer them without having > >>previously read or learned specific Cisco materials. > >> > >>My observation is that this is bad for us as > >>certification holders. And, since we pay for the tests > >>and represent to our employers that they represent a > >>certain level of professionalism, I think I have a > >>real issue. The issues are not complaints regarding > >>poor writing or syntax on the exam, although I am > >>concerned about this for non-native English speakers > >>taking the English exam. Rather, I am concerned that > >>the test is outdated even when its in beta. This is > >>not the first test (production or beta) that I have > >>noted this with. I still haven't seen tests on MPLS, > >>VPN, 4224 switches, IMA, etc., yet this would seem to > >>be relevant on the CCNP/DP exams. > >> > >>Please share your thoughts. > >> > >>BTW - If this is considered an OT item please > >>disregard. It is my hope to gain some understanding > >>and then address the issue with Cisco if there is > >>agreement that there is an issue. As the content of > >>the tests is of concern to all of us I hope that the > >>potential benefits are valued. > >> > >>===== > >>Robert Padjen > >> > >>__________________________________________________ > >>Do You Yahoo!? > >>Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > >>http://mail.yahoo.com/ > >> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that what your missing is that. Cisco is trying to one > prepare you > for anything that > is out there, equipment that happens to be at end of life doesn't > gaurantee > that you > won't see it out there. They are trying to make sure that you are > prepared > to represent > their company. Secondly if you don't have any understanding about > the equipment > > and you run into it, what's your suggestion.... just replace it, it > might > work perfectly well, but we'll > replace it because you aren't familiar!!!! The test and the labs > as John > knows are not > if he's taken the CCIE lab, are not hard they are over lots of > technology > that has been around. > the same old situations exist with new ones. And you need to be > prepared > for it all, in the > end you need to be prepared to use your resources and understand > quickly. > A company > might be losing or wasting money because of you. So, why whine the > test > shows you > what you didn't know that is what a test does. Go back and bone > up, then > you'll > pass. > > Tshon > > John Neiberger wrote: > > If Cisco is asking questions about products that have > been EOLed then they need to get some new test authors. :-) I just > don't understand the difficulty in creating a decent > test.Here's a suggestion for Cisco:Follow this list and > the CCIE list for a week. Compile a list of the top 30 posters, > with special considerations for the people who tend to answer most > often. From that list, randomly pick ten, then pay them to write 30 > test questions each.I promise you that the end result would be > 300 questions that are higher quality than a majority of the > questions Cisco has on their current exams. Repeat this process for > each new exam needed.Now _that_ would be a killer beta > test!Regards,John---- On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Robert > Padjen ( href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > Greetings all -I have a discussion point that I > am curious to getfeedback on from the group. I recently took > anotherCisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at > thequestions.For example, at least four questions regarded > productsthat no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them sometime > ago. Other questions included choices that don't > > > > exist - at least I am unaware of a (sic) series > routerfor serial connections (it was a switch that does nothave > a WIC slot). Still more questions had noreasonable way to answer > them without havingpreviously read or learned specific Cisco > materials.My observation is that this is bad for us > ascertification holders. And, since we pay for the testsand > represent to our employers that they represent acertain level of > professionalism, I think I have areal issue. The issues are not > complaints regardingpoor writing or syntax on the exam, although I > amconcerned about this for non-native English speakerstaking the > English exam. Rather, I am concerned thatthe test is outdated even > when its in beta. This isnot the first test (production or beta) > that I havenoted this with. I still haven't seen tests on > MPLS,VPN, 4224 switches, IMA, etc., yet this would seem tobe > relevant on the CCNP/DP exams. r>Please share your thoughts.BTW - If this is considered an OT > item pleasedisregard. It is my hope to gain some > understandingand then address the issue with Cisco if there > isagreement that there is an issue. As the content ofthe tests > is of concern to all of us I hope that thepotential benefits are > valued.=====Robert > Padjen__________________________________________________ Do > You Yahoo!?Try FREE Yahoo! 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