you know ,,,

i amreally starting to get fed-up with the "lets bash howard" brigade...

i have and will continue to put your teaching`s (howard) into practise...

this IS A COMMUNITY of professionals who HELP eachother....

i have been in recept of  many tips form a great many CCIE/CCNA/CCNP`s ....

i will happily take any help form anyone regardless of the Cert.....i have
myself helped a CCIE and i am only a CCNP...

this help was provided because as per most of us we dont work in enviroments
were we have access to every piece of equipment there is on the planet..

so i help him .....

i have also been helped by a CCNA....

is he any less a human bieng.....NO....

let us remeber why we signed up ...to HELP SHARE and LEARN...


Pleasent Weekend study.,..

steve


----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44714]


> I'm not saying to close the thread or not, although I think the
> moderators (I am one) are starting to block messages that come across
> as personal attacks.
>
> What I see is the fundamental misperception in this thread is an
> assumption there is a binary choice between experience and new
> training. I freely admit there are experienced people that have had 1
> year of experience 20 times.  But other experienced people have BOTH
> the experience and the in-depth protocol knowledge, which puts them
> in a position to learn even faster -- if they want to.
>
> Earlier in the thread, someone said "would you put something in
> production without lab testing?"  As with everything else in
> networking, "it depends."  A large ISP, for example, will test a new
> IOS release in a lab, but they can't possibly have a lab that will
> let them see the effects of the change on tens of thousands of
> routers.  This is true of router manufacturers as well.
>
> For very large networks, it may be possible to use true (i.e., Monte
> Carlo) simulation or mathematical analysis. But experience does have
> a major role in Internet backbone engineering.  Let me simply say
> that backbone engineering is at a level far more specialized and
> complex than the CCIE level, and there haven't been formalized ways
> to learn it.




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