I disagree.  CCSP fits in the Cisco Professional Certification scheme much
better than CSS1.  Also for your additional SAFE exam you geta  3 year cert
instead of a 2 year.  Looks to me like CSS1 was a proving ground for Cisco
before going ahead with a mainline cert like CCSP.
 
I have one more test to complete to get my CSS1.  I plan to get it and then
go for the SAFE exam to get the CCSP cert.  I think the CCSP cert will be
much more accepted than the CSS1 has been.
 
Cisco's new redisign of it's testing base is a welcome change.  Technology
is always changing and the Certification Exams should reflect this.
 
 
Thank You,
 
Leslie McIntosh
Sr. Network Engineer 
Deloitte & Touche Outsourcing
 
 
 

-----Original Message----- 
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Subject: RE: CCSP [7:57713]



Hi, 

I can't agree more.  I won't bother taking another cisco exam that doesn't 
provide any clear value.  CSS-1 has not been widely recognized, and yet it 
is slated to be retired.  I won't expect much coming from CCSP and the three

other security cert. 

I am beginning to have a negative bias on Cisco exams that shortlived or 
frequently changed as a mean to revenue-earning ...... 


Regards, 
Leonard Ong, CISSP, CSS-1, CCSE+, CCMSE 
             CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, MCDBA, LCP 
Network Security Specialist, APAC 
NOKIA 

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-----Original Message----- 
From: ext Godswill HO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:56 PM 
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Subject: RE: CCSP [7:57713] 


If you take one of the 3 specialized courses plus MCNS 
exam, you become a Specialist in that area eg 
1. CSPFA+MCNS = Firewall Specialist 
2. CSVPN+MCNS = VPN specialist 
3. IDSPM+MCNS = IDS Specialsit 

For a Limited time more: 
CSPFA+CSVPN+IDSPM+MCNS = CSS1 

Also 
CSPFA+CSVPN+IDSPM+MCNS+SAFE= CCSP 

>From now till 09/03 
People like my humble self who already have the CSS1 
designation would need take only the SAFE exam to 
become CCSP. 

I did not see any true meaning to all these. Cisco 
should know better. 

my 0.02 

Regards 
Godswill 
CCNP,CCDP,CSS1 




(CSPFA for Firewall, CSVPN for 
> VPN, and CSIDS for IDS) 
--- Creighton Bill-BCREIGH1 
 wrote: 
> Nevermind - sometime earlier they enabled the 
> links... 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Creighton Bill-BCREIGH1 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  ]

> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 3:07 PM 
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Subject: RE: CCSP [7:57713] 
> 
> 
> Good Info! 
> I tried following the link for those new Specialist 
> certs on Cisco's site, 
> but the link is broken - are Specialists defined now 
> by completing only the 
> individual exams? (CSPFA for Firewall, CSVPN for 
> VPN, and CSIDS for IDS) 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: ""Peter.Walker:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:""Peter.Walker:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 2:53 PM 
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Subject: Re: CCSP [7:57713] 
> 
> 
> Joshua 
> 
> The CCSP is basically just a realignment of the 
> current Cisco Security 
> Specialist 1 certification into the Cisco 
> Professional track. It does add 
> one more exam to the requirements but other than 
> that no real change. Cisco 
> has even 'generously' allowed current CSS1s to take 
> the remaining exam to 
> get the cert. :-) 
> 
> As for the new specialist level certs, they are just 
> dumbed down 
> ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H more focussed variations of 
> the CSS1. 
> 
> I really dont think Cisco have thought this one 
> through as anyone who 
> attains CCSP (with the current versions of the 
> exams), will also 
> automatically get three specialist level certs. In 
> my opinion this totally 
> devalues the specialist level certs. They should be 
> something that takes 
> specific specialised skill and knowledge to attain, 
> not something you get 
> for free as part of the process of attaining an 
> intermediate level 
> professional qualification. 
> 
> Peter Walker 
>       CISSP, CSS1, CITPSS, CCNP, CCIP, CCDP, etc 
> 
> (Putting flame proof clothing on) 
> 
> Joshua Green wrote: 
> > 
> > Anyone else hear about the new CCSP cert that 
> Cisco is offering?! 
> > It's about time!  Although I wish some of the 
> other Professional level 
> > certs would count towards it in some way...  I 
> also like the three new 
> > Specialist level certs! 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Thank you, 
> > 
> > Joshua Green; MCSE, CCNA 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > CityScape Communications 
> > 2040 Timberbrooke Drive 
> > Springfield, IL  62702 
> > (217) 793.6238 x18 
> > (217) 793.6275 fax 
> > (217) 306.6201 cell 
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