""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > At 3:53 PM +0000 1/3/03, Mr piyush shah wrote: > > > > > >Dear all > >I thing it is now a real high time someone should take > >initiative in stoping the subject of CCIE vs BS or MS > >degree. Why are we here for ? to discuss and share > >problems faced on networking front
And is the difficult decision about whether to get a networking certification in the first place not a problem worthy of discussion? I would venture to say that it perhaps is the most important problem of all. > > All joking aside, I think this is the key point, and something that a > lot of people miss. I do know, partially from private email, that > there are a substantial number of people that lose track of the > relevance of academic (not necessarily ATTENDING college or getting > degrees) material and focus completely on certification. There it is. You hit it right on the head. I think a lot of people are emotionally invested in the cert process and have lost the forest for the trees. One especially ugly manifestation of this is the phenomena that people who are certified automatically think they know everything about everything and therefore don't need to continue learning. > > A couple of personal observations: I have no interest in getting into > top corporate management, but I have and will be in senior technology > management. nrf, it seems, distinguishes simply between management > and non-management. In Cisco's case, I'd have no interest in John > Chambers' job, but I might in Christine Hemrick's -- a former > colleague at GTE. There is no hard and fast rule. Just like anything in life, it's not all black-and-white. I concede that even some people can enter top management with no degree. But what I'm saying is that the higher you go, the harder slogging it gets. You need to do more and more things to compensate for that lack of a degree that higher up you go. This is why the higher up you look in any company, the higher the percentage of grads. By the way, Ms. Hemrick is a grad. And again, I would reiterate that perhaps the most important facet of a degree is that it gives you flexibility to change your career. Do you wanna stay technical forever, or might you feel like doing something else sometime in your life? There's a reason why the Wall Street banks, for example, recruit at college campuses , but not at the local high school. Bankers, by the way, are another group of people who make more money in a week than we make in a year. > > Much of the drive for certification (and indeed degrees) is getting > into the door for the first job. While, admittedly, I am having some > fun with certain people, I'm deadly serious that some of the more > formal technical skills need to be understood if you stay technical > but move out of support. > > >or discusing > >whether BS is SUPERIOROR ccie . Let me tell you both > >the degreees are best in their unique ways . Who the > >heil are we to decide it's superioritY ? lIKE i > >MENTIONED WE ALL ARE INDIRECTLY SUPPORTING THE one > >whosoever raised this querry by getting involved in > >this question-answer forum . I thing we should stop > >it.There are lot many imp things on which we need to > >condcentrate more. And what important things would that be? Certain guys who come here who are clearly posting questions that they saw from their CCIE written/lab that they didn't know and want somebody to give them the answer instead of researching it themselves? Others who are simply too lazy to RTFM and want somebody to do their job for them? > >Hope so the message is loud and clear to all those > >participant to these group . > > > >Regards > > > > > >Note: forwarded message attached. > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. > > visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com > >X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via web8002.mail.in.yahoo.com; > > 03 Jan 2003 03:45:39 +0500 (IST) > >X-Track: 1: 100 > >Return-Path: > >Received: from groupstudy.com (66.220.63.9) by mta101.in.mail.yahoo.com > > with SMTP; 03 Jan 2003 03:45:37 +0500 (IST) > >Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by groupstudy.com > > (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA30437; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:52:13 GMT > >Received: by groupstudy.com (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 2 Jan 2003 > > 21:16:19 +0000 > >Received: (from listserver@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id > > VAA17958 GroupStudy Mailer; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:16:18 GMT > >Received: (from mail@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id > > VAA17954 GroupStudy Mailer; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:16:17 GMT > >Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:16:17 GMT > >From: "l0stbyte" > >X-GroupStudy-Version: 3.1.1a > >X-GroupStudy: Network Technical > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481] > >Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Reply-To: "l0stbyte" > >Precedence: bulk > >Content-Length: 731 > > > >Ladrach, Daniel E. wrote: > > > >> I have an MIS degree from The Ohio State University Max Fisher College of > >> Business. I see some posts out there saying that a CS degree is no > >> more than > >> a vocational degree. Obviously this person has not been to college! > >> College > >> is not there to prepare you to step in and do a Sr. Engineer job, it is > >> there to give you a base understanding of IT. I however, have a business > >> degree with an IT focus. So, when you have been through the classes I > have > >> you form a level of respect for anyone who has been down the same road. > >> > >> When the CCIE gets as challenging as the following let me know. > >> > >> Calculus > >> Physics > >> Finance > >> Accounting > >> Economics > >> CS-programming > >> CS-operating systems > >> CS-networking > >> > >> > >> > >> Daniel Ladrach > >> CCNA, CCNP > >> WorldCom > >All of the listed should be thought in high school. Unless it's some > >kind of quantum programming (is it still a concept?), CCIE should be by > >far more challenging. My two cents.. > >:) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=60231&t=60231 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
