At 06:00 16/12/01, you wrote:
>Date:    Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:02:17 -0500
>From:    Susan Cochran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Chat:  Web Hosting
>
>Laura, do you ever change the CODE page? That is what we are talking about.
>Serious web designers write HTML code that will do different things. Go to a
>webpage, right click it and select "view source". Look at all the pretty
>HTML code. Have you ever written this into a web page? I think not.
>FrontPage will not let you change the HTML code. Most serious web designers
>like to be able to write the latest code into their designs. This is what
>FrontPage will not allow. Dreamweaver is written in "roundtrip HTML" . This
>means that a designer can write whatever they want in the code page and
>Dreamweaver lets it alone.
>All the best,
>Susan Cochran

Susan,
Err, HTML markup will only tell how to display a page, it is the scripting
languages (javascript, php, Perl, etc) that do things on it...

While I use and LIKE Dreamweaver, it too can be a pain in the butt. It will
generate bloated markup and proprietary tags just as happily as Frontpage.
(Just try doing some complicated layout via layers/tables, and switch from
layers to tables and back, and you will see what I mean.) And its
javascript has to be seen to be believed! It is ALSO used by many web
"designers" who do not have a clue what goes on behind the scenes.  I will
only ever used DW for layout, I then go back and clean it up by hand.

Frontpage has been/is  notorious for producing both buggy and proprietary
markup. It is designed to work hand in glove with Internet Explorer  - and
Microsoft is a law unto itself and has a hard time believing that anyone
might use anything  else. So there are MANY pages that will not render  or
work correctly, or even show up at all in other browsers. If you are just
doing a vanity page that is good and fine, but there are so-called
"professional"  sites where I have  had to switch to IE in order to view
them; Netscape is far less forgiving than IE for some markup errors.

My choice, and there WAS nothing else when I first started, is to use a
proper HTML editor, and there are some nice (and some free) ones available.
And these are what I would recommend to anybody who wants to do this
seriously. But these editors too will allow you to make the most awful
messes if you don't fully understand what you are doing,  and  unless you
validate your markup when you are done.

Many people have been led to believe that there is some real mystique to
making a web page, whereas really all you are doing for a simple page is
some very basic "word processing". Dreamweaver and Frontpage will both
allow you to make more sophisticated and fancy pages with very little
knowledge.  Since so many people now want a web site of their own and are
either not able or not willing to pay for quality professional services, or
want to have a go at designing their site themselves,  Frontpage - with all
it failings -  allows many of them to realise this dream cheaply and easily.

And to keep this sort of on topic cavalier-wise, how many of you have
decorated you pages for Christmas, or put up some Christmas Cavalier
photos?  By whatever  method you use to do this :-)

Rosemary (getting off her soapbox)





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