I didn't interpret the problem as being an unskilled handler, but rather a
professional handler.  If the pros keep winning hand stacking the dogs, they
will keep hand stacking the dogs.  If hand stacked dogs keep winning, then
pretty soon, all of will have to hand stack our dogs to be competitive.
It's only my opinion, and heaven knows plenty of my opinions are wrong.  I
have personally never seen an amateur hand stack a dog; only pros and those
only on video.  Nobody in my area hand stacks cavaliers.  Myra


>From: Terrie & Disney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] THE $64,000 QUESTION
>Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:01:32 -0400
>
>This is a disturbing statement to say the least. While I agree that the
>bleached, dyed, trimmed Cavalier should be dumped, or any breed that is
>bleached
>and dyed,  I don't a gree that a good dog should be dumped due to improper
>handling skills. If I hadn't been on this list I would not know that a
>Cavalier
>shouldn't be hard stacked or knelt with. It is more productive for the
>breed and
>the exhibitor to have a judge or other exhibitors explain to someone, pro
>or
>not, that Cavaliers are not hard stacked or kneeled down with than to dump
>them
>and award let's say some weedy, roached backed, beagle headed, cow hocked,
>can't
>move it's way out of a wet paper bag dog a ribbon over the nice one dontcha
>think? Conversely if we were discussing a breed, or if this breed was one,
>that
>"is" hand stacked would you really feel that someone with a lesser quality
>dog
>should win over a better quality dog because they had better handling
>skills???
>I believe that this already happens quite often enough in many breeds that
>are
>shown by predominantly pros who have better handling skills than the
>average
>owner.
>
>Respectfully,
>Terrie:)
>
>Myra Savant wrote:
>
> > My opinion doesn't mean a whole lot, Roger, but to me the hand stacked
> > cavalier should be dumped just as quickly as the bleached, dyed and
>trimmed
> > ones should.  If the judges don't dump those dogs, the handlers will not
> > learn about cavalier presentation, and the rest of us will be fighting
>an
> > uphill battle.  Myra
>
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