Mark Wielaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:58:32 +0200:
> [GNU Coding Standards: Trademarks] Thanks for pointing this out. >You should also mention that some dedicated people have been working on >GNU Classpath for the last five years. That explains why we are as far >as we are now. Consistently doing little steps for a couple of years >does work to make progress. Definitely. I really don't want to pretend that other people's hard work would be mine. >> Would anyone be interested in doing the talk together? >I can certainly act as the lovely assistant who does the demos :) You'd also be more than welcome to say something, of course. Talks are 40 minutes, including discussion. How long do you think that the demos will take, 10 minutes maybe? --- Actually, this topic might not be that interesting for everyone on the list. Is it OK to move this thread off-list? >[...] >And from the meeting in Karlsruhe I got the impression that people would >be interested in some common (native) library format to reuse the output >of a ahead of time or just in time compiler. (BTW found the paper that I >mentioned: http://flint.cs.yale.edu/flint/publications/bincomp.html) Thanks for the interesting reference. When it comes to sharing VM internals, I'd be mostly interested about some common compiler infrastructure written in Java, such as a framework for an Intermediate Representation. But I guess it would be very hard to come to an agreemant about how to do it correctly. It might be easier for other parts, such as assemblers. Another non-library part I'd be interested in sharing is device drivers for pure Java OSes/embedded systems, or even just common interfaces to those. >> GNU Classpath -- Freedom for Java [FIXME: Is the title too snappy?] >"Freedom to Innovate" :) Yes, let's do it without buzzwords. What about "GNU Classpath -- Motivation, current state, missing parts"? >Seriously. I think GNU Classpath is the boring project. It is what it >enables people do with it that makes it so exciting! I fully agree, there's very little room for creativity here (I hope saying so does not offend anyone). I guess we all have our truly exciting projects which just need this boring library. But, who works on Classpath unless we do it ourselves? >[some reasons why Classpath is meaningful] Yes, this huge framework seems indeed like a reasonable foundation for building free applications that go beyond a certain base level. Which cross-platform alternatives are there, anyway? GNUStep, possibly. Also, the .NET library seems quite nice, but I must admit that I did not look at it very closely. There are some platform-specifc frameworks (like MFC, MacApp, PowerPlant). Of course, someone could try to establish a new framework. This would have the big advantage that it would be "us" (the free software people) who is setting the standard, so we wouldn't always lag behind. But one would also have to convince each potential developer that they are not on a risky path. Best, -- Sascha Sascha Brawer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.dandelis.ch/people/brawer/ _______________________________________________ Classpath mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/classpath