If we are off topic... I once worked with a really smart guy who decided that AOP (using the Spring proxying mechanisms) was a great way of enforcing that customers could only see their line items. Only he did this before he went on holiday, didn’t tell anybody about it and whilst the filtering logic was unit tested there were no integration tests. Boy, did I (and the other programmers), who hadn’t even heard of AOP, have a fun time figuring out why the 1500 JDBC rows turned into 6 instances of a LineItem.
Oh, the XML hell :-). For the record, I think AOP is a massively underused yet incredibly powerful tool, but please, for the love of sanity, understand the cognitive load it brings with it. Another anecdote from when I worked for the the Spring Framework days: the AOP tooling mechanism in Eclipse was shoe-horned in using guess what? Yep, AOP :-). Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Jun 2018, at 21:03, Erik Assum <e...@assum.net> wrote: > > Totally off topic, but I once worked on a Java project where some of the > tests were written in groovy and they were a huge PITA: > > 1) The refactoring tools never found, nor refactored the groovy code > 2) The compilation errors introduced by 1) never showed up in my IDE > 3) Having to relate to tests I didn’t know about in a language I don’t care > about when I thought I was done was not great for my general mood at the time > > I used to think that sneaking in another language by using it in the > test-code was a stellar idea. Now I’m quite certain it isn’t. > > Erik. > -- > i farta > >> 11. jun. 2018 kl. 21:55 skrev Rick Mangi <r...@chartbeat.com>: >> >> Next time you have to write unit tests for java, give groovy a try. It has a >> lot of features that make this easy, 1 line map construction, overriding of >> private methods, super easy to make mocks. There's definitely some weird >> syntax, and it's slow, but I'm fine using it for glue or scripting. >> >> >>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 3:48 PM Gregg Reynolds <d...@mobileink.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:44 PM Rick Mangi <r...@chartbeat.com> wrote: >>>> Believe it or not, I actually like groovy a lot. I used to use it to write >>>> unit tests for java code. It's very easy to learn. >>> >>> >>> Will wonders never cease? I had to learn a bit of groovy a while back while >>> dealing with Gradle, and came to hate it. Maybe I just have a bad attitude >>> - I blame Clojure! >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 3:40 PM Gregg Reynolds <d...@mobileink.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:30 PM <r...@chartbeat.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ... >>>>>> We're starting to lean towards gradle >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You do understand that that means you have to deal with groovy? ;) >>>>> >>>>> Fwiw I've been working with Bazel a lot lately and I would never go back. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >>>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>>>> your first post. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "Clojure" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>>> your first post. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Clojure" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>> your first post. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Clojure" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your >> first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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