>On May 1, 10:05 pm, Phil Hagelberg <p...@hagelb.org> wrote: > Have you read about this? > > http://hugoduncan.org/post/2010/swank_clojure_gets_a_break_with_the_l...
Looks good! Thnx for the link. > If you are going to interact with other libraries on the JVM, you must > be capable of handling Java exceptions. You can use tools like > contrib's error-kit to offer CL-style condition restarts in your own > code, but you'll always have to deal with code that you don't control. > > -Phil Hmmm, I think I understand now. Clojure can't rely solely on a condition system because then JVM lib interop would suffer. Just curious, why not have conditions and exceptions co-exist? Clojure could idiomatically use Conditions ........ but have exceptions as well for dealing with JVM level stuff. I mean the code from error-kit could be moved into Clojure core and raising conditions and offering restarts could be idiomatic, inside Clojure code. >From a broader perspective, I wonder why only two languages (in current use) were ever designed with the idea that programming environment is just as important as the programming language - Common Lisp, to a fair extent and Smalltalk. REPL based programming for Python, Haskell, etc still seem very immature. While Schemes can have decent support, at least the language doesn't get in the way and encourages great environment if you put in the effort. Ex: MIT Scheme and Dr Scheme Is it any surprise that the best features of Clojure development experience is being provided by people who miss those features from Common Lisp? And with tools adapted from those developed for Common Lisp? People developing SLIME are recreating the environments of lisp machines. The best Java environments are hopeless remakes of Smalltalk environments. I just think there happens to be a lesson to be learned from here. I hope this is a seen merely as a discussion in general and food for thought. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
