I'm all for simplifying clojure. Even if Lein is great... If clojure is heavily biased and saddled by yet another framework/build system , it will never go mainstream.
Jay Vyas MMSB UCHC On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:32 AM, clojure+nore...@googlegroups.com wrote: > Today's Topic Summary > Group: http://groups.google.com/group/clojure/topics > > format and printf can't be used with BigInt [2 Updates] > clojure.contrib.command-line [2 Updates] > Java 7 is out! [1 Update] > Problem with ClojureScript and Node.js [2 Updates] > better community docs: getting started [1 Update] > dynamically generated let bindings [1 Update] > Pair Coding over Skype [1 Update] > passing value to functions [1 Update] > Libraries and build management hell [3 Updates] > Topic: format and printf can't be used with BigInt > Sean Corfield <seancorfi...@gmail.com> Jul 28 04:28PM -0700 ^ > > >> Chas has already pointed you at the rationale / discussion but I'm a > > Discussions about primitive arithmetic, not BigInteger arithmetic. > > I take it you didn't actually bother to read the page he linked to? > Let me quote the relevant part for you since I know how averse you are > to spending any time reading more than the first few lines of any > material that people link to: > > * new clojure.lang.BigInt class > * BigInts do not auto-reduce, and are contagious (akin to doubles) > * BigInts will enable optimizations when fits in long > * optimzations not yet in place > * unlike BigInteger, BigInt has consistent hashcodes with Long, > through range of long > > > That'd be my position, yes. Also, backward compatibility: format works > > in 1.2 with (* 400000000000 400000000000 400000000000) so it should > > work in 1.3 with (* 400000000000 400000000000 400000000000). > > Kinda hard since that expression is not valid in 1.3 anyway: > > ArithmeticException integer overflow > clojure.lang.Numbers.throwIntOverflow (Numbers.java:1374) > > So that code breaks explicitly in 1.3 and in many ways (format) is > then the least of your worries... > > >> Might be worth opening a JIRA ticket for enhancing format, yes? > > You go ahead. I don't have an account there. > > Ah, that's right... the contributor process is too much work for > you... Maybe one of the kind souls who've taken the time to go thru > that process might feel inclined to open such a ticket for you? If > they agree with your position, of course. > -- > Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN > An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ > World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ > Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://www.getrailo.com/ > > "Perfection is the enemy of the good." > -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) > > > Sean Corfield <seancorfi...@gmail.com> Jul 28 04:30PM -0700 ^ > > I think one of the authors / core members needs to change the > permissions. I have edit access on the parent page > http://dev.clojure.org/display/doc/Enhanced+Primitive+Support and the > sibling page http://dev.clojure.org/display/doc/Bit+Operations but, > like you, don't have view access to the Numerics page. > > Sean > > > > Topic: clojure.contrib.command-line > octopusgrabbus <octopusgrab...@gmail.com> Jul 28 03:37PM -0700 ^ > > Are there any command-line examples or documentation other than what's > up on clojure.org or ClojureDocs? > > I'm using > > (defn -main [& args] > (with-command-line args > "Get csv file name" > [[in-file-name ".csv input file name" "resultset.csv" ]] > [[in-file-name ".csv input file name" 1]] > > (println "in-file-name:", in-file-name) > > If I specify a file name it does not get used. Only resultset.csv is > used. > > tnx > cmn > > > Anthony Grimes <disciplera...@gmail.com> Jul 28 04:24PM -0700 ^ > > command-line is deprecated in favor of tools.cli now. > http://github.com/clojure/tools.cli > > > Topic: Java 7 is out! > Sean Corfield <seancorfi...@gmail.com> Jul 28 04:14PM -0700 ^ > > > So, what does it means for Clojure? > > It's not going to mean anything for a long time. Clojure still > supports Java 5 so it is probably going to be years before Java 7 is > mainstream enough that Clojure can _require_ it. > -- > Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN > An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ > World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ > Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://www.getrailo.com/ > > "Perfection is the enemy of the good." > -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) > > > Topic: Problem with ClojureScript and Node.js > Anthony Grimes <disciplera...@gmail.com> Jul 28 03:32PM -0700 ^ > > I'm all of a sudden getting this exact same error on OS X 10.6.8. And I do > mean all of a sudden. I actually updated to this version of OS X last night > and today it isn't working. Is this happening to any OS X users on an older > Snow Leopard? This is the only thing that has changed in my setup, so I'm > actually starting to wonder if it might have something to do with that. > > > Anthony Grimes <disciplera...@gmail.com> Jul 28 04:10PM -0700 ^ > > Actually, it seems to be caused by this > commit: > https://github.com/clojure/clojurescript/commit/954e8529b1ec814f40af77d6035f90e93a9126ea > > If I checkout before that, everything is peachy. I guess I'll submit a bug > report. > > > Topic: better community docs: getting started > uMany <elm...@gmail.com> Jul 28 03:57PM -0700 ^ > > I'm a total newbie with Clojure/Lisp/Java/Cake/Lein/Emacs etc. > But I want to help translating to Spanish. > If you tell me where can I find instructions to do it I will with > pleasure. > > By the way, I've been fighting with Emacs/Clojure and everything else. > It has been frustrating but I've learn a lot and I like to learn. So > for me, I don't give up. I wont give up. I just want to program in > Clojure no matter what just because I like it. > > Manuel > > > > Topic: dynamically generated let bindings > Sam Aaron <samaa...@gmail.com> Jul 28 11:48PM +0100 ^ > > Hi there, > > I'm trying to create a fn which does the following: > > * returns a fn which takes an arbitrary number of args > * calls a helper fn, passing the incoming args returning a vector of > alternating symbols and vals > * creates a let form using the vector of alternating symbols and vals > returned by the helper fn as the bindings > * contains some inner form that makes use of the bindings > > i.e. is it possible to implement something that allows the following to work: > > (defn binding-vec > [args] > ['size (count args)]) > > (defn mk-dynamically-bound-fn > [form] > ;; returns a fn with sign [& args] which > ;; uses binding-vec to create a the vec for > ;; which a let statement binds around form > ) > > (def a (mk-dynamically-bound-fn '(+ size 10))) > > (a 1 2 3 4) ;=> 14 (the number of args + 10) > > > Please let me know if I'm being a bit crazy with the question. It's totally > possible that I'm barking up the wrong tree with this line of enquiry. > > Sam > > --- > http://sam.aaron.name > > > Topic: Pair Coding over Skype > nil <ache...@gmail.com> Jul 28 02:37PM -0700 ^ > > Until you find someone, one site you can look at is the clojure euler > site. It has some math examples written by folks who know clojure to > varying degrees. You can see different ways of tackling a given > problem. > > > > Topic: passing value to functions > Tuba Lambanog <tuba.lamba...@gmail.com> Jul 28 03:32PM -0600 ^ > > Hi, Laurent, > > Your suggestion of manually piping intermediate results works. Thank you > very much! > > Tuba > > > > Topic: Libraries and build management hell > Michal B <mibu.cloj...@gmail.com> Jul 28 02:23PM -0700 ^ > > Why does it have to be so complicated to use libraries? > > To use libraries, you need to learn how to operate half a dozen build tools > and git because each library author distributes their library differently. > If figuring out how to install an IDE with clojure wasn't bad enough, now > you need to figure out how to install and use each of the tools with it. > > I'm not saying build tools are useless, on the contrary. It's just that most > of the time, we want to sling two or three libraries together and code. > Right? There is no need to start a project with a bunch of template files > and an elaborate directory structure and to start configuring dependencies > and to rely on some magic happening that makes your program run. > > I think we over-engineered the build process to support the big projects and > forgot the common case. Most projects are simple. > > Let's remove this incidental complexity by returning to simplicity. Keep the > build tools for the heavyweights and get back in touch with your libraries. > > Instead of having a complicated installation guide for your library, have a > Download section in your site. Have there a link to the latest stable > version of your library as a jar file or, if necessary, a zip file with your > jar and and all the necessary dependency jars (sane library authors won't > mind). For a zip, shortly describe what's in it - library names and > versions, and links to their sites. That's it. > > I think most JVM users know or can quickly figure out how to take jars and > put them in their project's classpath. It's simple to do with all IDEs (or > without one) and there is no need to learn or install additional software or > edit configuration files. Starter scripts should include in the classpath > all jars in the current directory or jars/ directory by default. > > Instead of managing libraries inside a dependencies file, you do it directly > with the jar files. If the project gets too big, bring in the build tools. > > What are your thoughts on this issue? > > > Timothy Baldridge <tbaldri...@gmail.com> Jul 28 04:30PM -0500 ^ > > > Why does it have to be so complicated to use libraries? > > I used to think it was hard until I read up on lein. Can't get much > simpler than clojars and lein: > > http://clojars.org/ > http://alexott.net/en/clojure/ClojureLein.html > > Now I'm starting to think that I actually like the lein method over > python easy_install or ruby gems. > > Timothy > > > -- > “One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was > that–lacking zero–they had no way to indicate successful termination > of their C programs.” > (Robert Firth) > > > gaz jones <gareth.e.jo...@gmail.com> Jul 28 04:31PM -0500 ^ > > i would agree with all that if i were writing plain java (a lib dir > for dependencies and a couple of shell scripts for building etc), but > leiningen makes it so easy for clojure that its more work _not_ to use > it... at least that has been my experience. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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