> > - This Clojure-IDE is actually Eclipse for Clojure (which integrates
> > Clojure, Counterclockwise and lein libraries - not as external tools)
>
> Hang on, you were advocating Clojure for non-Java devs, yes? Yet you
> want to inflict Eclipse on them? I'm only half-joking here. Non-Java
> developers are going to want to use something lightweight and
> simple... that's not Eclipse (it's not Emacs either)... not sure what
> is the best route here (Clooj?).


I suggested Eclipse for several reasons:
- It is AFAIK an IDE to build IDEs and can be rebranded the way you
want.
- It is the shortest path to have an IDE instead of starting from
scratch. Creating that IDE is a matter of integrating and repackaging
since the tools are already there (CCW, lien, test frameworks).
- I hope you didn't misunderstand what I said above. I am not against
Java and I am aware the Java interop is one of Clojure's strength and
eventually you will need an IDE that can deal with both languages and
Eclipse is an IDE for both. A simpler IDE, like CLOOJ, might be good
for a newcomer but when he has advanced in the language and needs both
languages, the simpler IDE will have to provide the tools Eclipse (and
VS) currently provide for the host language.

That's why I think an Eclipse-based IDE is the better choice for an
official IDE.

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