On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Jules <julesjac...@gmail.com> wrote: > vemv, here is a file describing my Clojure install experience: > https://www.dropbox.com/s/ln2ek5f5n47qnl1/clojureinstall.odp > > How should I continue? And where would a beginner find that information?
The problem is the Clojure world, for the most part, is all Mac and Linux - Windows is very much a second class citizen that very few Clojurians use at all. I surveyed the Bay Area Clojure Meetup members. 53 responded. Just 3 of them said they used Windows. Go to a Clojure conference and it'll be mostly Macs and almost all of the rest will be running Linux. That means all the tools, all the instructions, all the thinking, is focused on the command line and comes from a world where developers know that installed software has to go on your path, which usually means editing a dot file in your home directory, updating the PATH variable and sourcing the dot file to pick up the changes. It also means that the primary Clojure website is aimed at those kind of developers and, more specifically, aimed at experienced developers on those platforms who can pick thru the minimalist information and variety of links scattered everywhere. The fact is: clojure.org is NOT beginner friendly :( Leiningen - the primary build tool - is a shell script. Clojure is a library - a JAR file - and using Clojure relies (under the hood) on a local Maven repository and then declaring and fetching dependencies from various known repositories. Leiningen makes all that much simpler than the raw tools. But it doesn't make it as simple as most Windows users expect. Having set up a dozen or so Clojure development environments on a variety of Mac, Linux and Windows, here's what I recommend for Windows: * Start with GOW - Gnu on Windows - so that you have the basic Linux toolset that is so familiar to most Clojurians: https://github.com/bmatzelle/gow/downloads * It installs curl and wget (and a bunch of other very useful stuff) and adds it to your path directly! Read more here: https://github.com/bmatzelle/gow/wiki * Download the Leiningen Windows batch file. I put mine in C:\LEIN and then added C:\LEIN to my Path environment variable (in the system environment variables) * Start a new cmd shell window (or Powershell if you're that way inclined) and type: lein self-install At least at this point you can create new Clojure projects, edit project.clj with your favorite editor to add dependencies, and use lein repl in a cmd shell to experiment with those libraries. As others have said, try Clooj if you really have no idea about the command line or the Java ecosystem. Try LightTable once you've installed Leiningen and created a project to play with. If you're a Java developer on Windows, you're probably using Eclipse or IntelliJ so install the Clojure plugin and use that. If you're brave, try Emacs - that's what most Clojurians use and it really does have the most integrated overall workflow, especially with a built-in shell, IRC client and various other goodies. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ "Perfection is the enemy of the good." -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
