Colin - you are right - I shouldn't throw out such inflammatory marks, particularly when they do a disservice to the excellent work done in Cursive Clojure, Lighttable and Counter Clockwise (and others that I am not aware off).
For me personally, after years of using Eclipse then IntelliJ and (to a much lesser degree) Sublime I am forcing my team to use emacs. And yes, forcing is the word as they are utterly sold on sublime and really don't like me much at the moment :). It is the classical short term/long term win, and emacs is worth the investment for us. But it absolutely is an investment. Disclaimer - I haven't looked at any of the other editors for months if not years. On Friday, April 11, 2014 10:20:37 AM UTC+1, Colin Fleming wrote: > > you can fight it as hard as you like but you will eventually end up using >> emacs, clojure-mode, cider, paredit and magit and then wonder how you ever >> lived without it, but not without spending at least a month or two cursing >> anything to do with emacs :). >> > > As the developer of Cursive, I'd like to politely disagree with this > point. I think that Cursive provides a very competitive feature set but > without the swearing :-). Of course I'm totally biased, so take with a > grain of salt, but I think particularly for Clojure newbies it's worth a > look - learning Emacs at the same time as Clojure can be a recipe for > frustration. > > Of course, it doesn't have to be Cursive, there are other options in case > Emacs gives you hives. > > > On 11 April 2014 20:17, Colin Yates <colin...@gmail.com <javascript:>>wrote: > >> As others have said - a more focused question would help. >> >> Our back end runs on ring + compojure using >> https://github.com/jkk/honeysql for querying and straight >> https://github.com/clojure/java.jdbc for writes. We use >> https://github.com/marick/Midje/wiki rather than clojure.test and >> https://github.com/gdeer81/marginalia for documentation. >> >> This is the first major Clojure app, so lots of lessons have been learnt. >> Things I wish I knew: >> >> - read the ring spec - it is all just a map, phenomenally powerful. >> Now read it again >> - consider using https://github.com/zcaudate/lein-midje-doc as well >> as/instead of marginalia >> - consider using https://github.com/jaycfields/expectations instead >> of midje. Midje is fantastic, but expectations, particularly the >> 'diffing' >> looks like a real win >> - consider using something like https://github.com/prismatic/schemato >> document your API from day one. >> - you can fight it as hard as you like but you will eventually end up >> using emacs, clojure-mode, cider, paredit and magit and then wonder how >> you >> ever lived without it, but not without spending at least a month or two >> cursing anything to do with emacs :). >> >> Just my random, off the cuff thoughts. Hope they help. >> >> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:13:19 PM UTC+1, Kashyap CK wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> I have the opportunity to build a set of services from scratch. I plan >>> to use clojure for this. >>> I'd like to experiment with options available out there - options such >>> as - what webserver, what database etc. I'd like it very much if you could >>> share some of your experiences in this and possibly some pitfalls to avoid. >>> Regards, >>> Kashyap >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
