Timmy,

Several BPM tools are derivatives of or are directly based upon business 
rule engines. They usually pile on a bunch of higher level abstractions, 
UIs and/or frameworks to make them business user friendly. I have not seen 
anything like this in Clojure.

However, you might want to take a look at Clara which is a rule engine 
written in Clojure. It would give you a lower level library upon which you 
could build the rest of the BPM feature sets.

If Clara doesn't give you all of what you need you could look into 
integrating with the JBoss/Drools tooling via Java interop.

Good luck!

Alan


On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 10:11:43 AM UTC-7, Vjeran Marcinko wrote:
>
> If you're looking for something similar to some BPM (BPMN, BPEL...) 
> engines in Clojure land, I *think* there is nothing similar here. I'm 
> actually researching that area occasionally, and thinking wishfully about 
> implementing one in Clojure someday.
>
> When core.async appeared first, since it also comes from "process area" of 
> IT (CSP, actors, process algebra...), I thought it would be sufficient for 
> that case also, but unfortunately it seems it has some strong differences 
> between BPM engines which are "session-based", meaning, each message that 
> is received over channel marked as 'session creator' spawns new async 
> process which is long, very long running (potentially years), and all 
> subsequent messages that have correlation value for that process are routed 
> to that session afterwards. 
>
> Biggest similarity is that both approaches (BPM enginer and core.async) 
> invert control of execution, meaning, you write easy-to-grasp sequential 
> code which is executed asynchronously, but one would need option to stop 
> the execution in some point of "go" block, persist it, and continue it 
> later. In Java, Apache ODDE, which is BPEL engine, uses Pi-calculus engine 
> underneath, that uses continuations queue and is able to persist the 
> session on demand, and dehydrate it again when needed, even if that moment 
> comes a year later..
>
> In other words, we need something like durable, restartable, GO blocks, 
> for each indivudual long-running session, and there can be hundreds of 
> thousands of them active in a system simultaneously (think about hundred k 
> of active purchase orders...).
>
> -Vjeran
>
> On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 1:35:25 PM UTC+2, Tim Visher wrote:
>>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> Anyone have any tips on clojure 'workflow' libraries? 
>> https://github.com/relaynetwork/impresario is very close, but lacks some 
>> basic features like exception transitions, etc. 
>>
>> Basically, I'm looking for a library that allows me to create a workflow 
>> that will happen asynchronously, recording it's progress in a db. I think i 
>> could probably whip something together without _too_ much trouble using 
>> core.async but this feels like something that's probably already been 
>> written.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> --
>>
>> In Christ,
>>
>> Timmy V.
>>
>> http://blog.twonegatives.com/
>> http://five.sentenc.es/ -- Spend less time on mail
>>
>

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