" isn't Clojure code easier to maintain/extend than Java code?" Sure, but is that were the problems lie in Clojure maintenance? Take a look at the JIRA tickets. The majority deal with how to map some concept to the JVM (same problem in Java or Clojure), or the correct way to implement something to either maintain efficiency or compliance with legacy code. None of this is predicated on a Clojure based on Java.
I hate saying that because having the bragging rights of a self-hosting language is pretty awesome, and the language developer in me would love to see it. But Clojure is a very pragmatic language, and there just aren't that many reasons why we *need* CinC. Timothy On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 9:23 AM, William la Forge <[email protected]> wrote: > Well gosh, Timothy, isn't Clojure code easier to maintain/extend than Java > code? There's a lot less boiler plate at least. Or is it just that Clojure > is superior mostly when multi-threading because of its use of immutables? > > Are you really saying that Clojure is not an advantageous choice for > implementing Clojure? Perhaps as a newbie I'm just oversold on Clojure? Or > are you just taking a short-term view and saying that a rewrite would carry > no IMMEDIATE advantages. Of course, the counter for that is that a rewrite > ALWAYS carries immediate advantages. :D > > On Monday, August 24, 2015 at 11:10:05 AM UTC-4, tbc++ wrote: >> >> " I would think that having Clojure implemented entirely in Clojure >> would have a number of advantages." >> >> I think that's the place you should start. List those advantages. >> Clojure-in-Clojure would be a "nice" thing to have...but I can't really >> think of any major features it would enable that aren't possible in Clojure >> already. >> >> One thing that would be nice to have would be to switch Clojure's Java >> interfaces over to protocols, e.g. `Counted` could be a protocol instead of >> a interface. But that could be done on the existing codebase, without the >> need for a full rewrite. >> >> Timothy >> >> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 9:03 AM, William la Forge <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Step 2 in the classical bootstrap process for a language is to rewrite >>> it in itself. Clojure is more than capable of this. But Clojure continues >>> to rely on Java code for its implementation. >>> >>> Is there a reason why this was not done? Efficiency issues? A rush to >>> create something usable? I would think that having Clojure implemented >>> entirely in Clojure would have a number of advantages. >>> >>> I am sure there was a deliberate decision, not to complete the bootstrap >>> process. Is this documented anywhere? >>> >>> Just being a nosy newbie. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>> your first post. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> “One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that–lacking >> zero–they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C >> programs.” >> (Robert Firth) >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- “One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that–lacking zero–they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs.” (Robert Firth) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
