> On Mar 11, 2016, at 9:43 PM, Paul Gowder <paul.gow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 2.  The other big beginner barrier I feel is the tooling.  In lots of ways, 
> leiningen is amazing (particularly the automatic grabbing of dependencies), 
> but the forced project structure is really painful. It feels like a massive 
> barrier to not just be able to throw up some code and have it run without 
> having to set up a whole directory structure and all the rest.  (It would be 
> nice in particular to be able to use gorilla-REPL without having a project 
> for it---maybe with lein-try somehow??)  Been thinking about trying boot to 
> make this simpler, but since every library seems to be documented in terms of 
> leiningen, that means just means learning two tooling systems instead of just 
> one.  

Is "lein new app foo" that complicated?

I'm using just leiningen + Gorilla REPL for a class I'm teaching it now, and 
this doesn't seem to be a barrier. In fact I'm using a modified version of 
Gorilla REPL that can open any .clj file, and we've set things up so that "lein 
new gorilla-app foo" creates the Gorilla-enabled project. I'm very happy with 
the setup, and I haven't seen the student confusion that I've had with every 
other tooling setup. FYI here's a little auxiliary document that I give 
students to help get them going: 
http://faculty.hampshire.edu/lspector/temp/Secrets-of-Gorilla-REPL.pdf

One feature that needs to be added to the modified version of Gorilla REPL to 
make this useful more generally is "Save without markup," since currently any 
file that you open and then save will get markup added, which you won't want in 
many cases. 

 -Lee


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