Hi Arnaud, I had a good time with the chestnut template: https://github.com/plexus/chestnut It is no magic bullet, but generates a leiningen project with front and backend with some sane defaults for development and production. I don't know about tests, but thats a different topic I guess.
Another player in the boat might be the build tool boot. I have not tried it yet, but it seems like it does provide good defaults too for dev / production environments. Best Regards, Sven Am Freitag, 19. Dezember 2014 16:18:30 UTC+1 schrieb Arnaud Bailly: > Hello, > I have been developing with Om and clojurescript for a few months now, and I > do feel I am missing something to get as productive as I am when working with > Haskell (or java for that matter). > > > I would appreciate some advices or pointers resources from more experienced > people on how to get to the point where I can develop confidently, easily and > with decent speed in clojurescript. > > > Here are my main concerns and some experiences I can share to give more > context: > - compiler is slow: I have setup cljsbuild profile to use advanced > optimisation which heavily slows down compiler. Even simple optimisation is > rather slow. No optimisation is rather fast, but not that fast (several > seconds...). Note that I "often" have to remove generated compiled file and > target/ dir to get usable result when doing advanced optimisation, otherwise > I got seemingly unrelated runtime errors in the UI > - compiler is not very helpful in catching errors: Error messages are ok, at > least better than default clojure and its sometimes huge stack trace (or is > it something from cljsbuild?), but of course not having types means fewer > errors got caught... This is not an issue when one has the fast feedback of > the REPL but large compilation time makes it really unwieldy. > This is particularly annoying in Om because it requires state to be stored > in an atom which in some contexts can be manipulated directly and in some > others need to be dereferenced... And it is very easy, at least for me, to > forget/add an @ > - unit tests are hard: code is mostly Om/react DOM building and ajax > requests, so pure unit testing is not really useful or would need too much > mocking. There seems to be a testing framework for React but I could not > really figure how to use it given react is actually encapsulated under Om... > I tried to write unit tests manipulating DOM elements but got stuck on how to > simulate a change event. My JS-fu is probably lacking here but although I was > able to synthesize a click, it was not possible for a change. > - I resorted to selenium tests, but of course those are fragile and slow and > I would like to avoid having to fire a server for testing part of client > application > - I tried to LightTable, but not being able to use repl/instarepl means I am > left with a text editor less powerful than emacs. I user LightTable with > clojure code and found it really nice so I would like to be able to use for > clojurescript too. > > > As I said, I have been coding for a living mostly in statically (or not so > statically) typed languages (Java, Haskell), but I have been using clojure > for side projects in the last few years and I really enjoy coding in clojure. > So when I discovered Om I was really enthusiastic about its capabilities and > the way it expanded my horizon to make programming in the browser a more > pleasing experience. > > > But my coding flow is not satisfying, it takes a long time to iterate so I > tend to do larger steps which creates bigger mistakes which take a long time > to track... And I positively hate using a debugged, especially with optimised > clojurescript compiled code :-) > > > So this post is really not a rant at all, I just got the feeling I am not > doing things the right way and would like to be enlightened by people more > knowledgeable than me. > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > > -- > Arnaud Bailly -- Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ClojureScript" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojurescript+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to clojurescript@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojurescript.
