ACN: Thanks! We’ve created a ticket for that one to help collaborate and 
surface the process here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T267992 
<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T267992>
Anybody working on that, please add info there.

Brooke Storm
Staff SRE
Wikimedia Cloud Services
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> On Nov 17, 2020, at 12:01 PM, AntiCompositeNumber 
> <anticompositenum...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I took a look at converting the query used for GreenC Bot's Job 10,
> which tracks enwiki files that "shadow" a different file on Commons.
> It is currently run daily, and the query executes in about 60-90
> seconds. I tried three methods to recreate that query without a SQL
> cross-database join. The naive method of "just give me all the files"
> didn't work because it timed out somewhere. The paginated version of
> that query was on track to take over 5 hours to complete. A similar
> method that emulates a subquery instead of a join was projected to
> take about 6 hours. Both stopped early because I got bored of watching
> them and PAWS doesn't work unattended. I also wasn't able to properly
> test them because people kept fixing the shadowed files before the
> script got to them. The code is at
> <https://public.paws.wmcloud.org/User:AntiCompositeBot/ShadowsCommonsQuery.ipynb>.
> 
> ACN
> 
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 1:02 PM Maarten Dammers <maar...@mdammers.nl> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Joaquin,
>> 
>> On 16-11-2020 21:42, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Maarten,
>> 
>> I believe this work started many years ago, and it was paused, and recently 
>> restarted because of the stability and performance problems in the last 
>> years.
>> 
>> You do realize the current setup was announced as new 3 years ago? See 
>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/phame/post/view/70/new_wiki_replica_servers_ready_for_use/
>>  .
>> 
>> I'm sorry about the extra work this will cause, I hope the improved 
>> stability and performance will make it worth it for you, and that you will 
>> reconsider and migrate your code to work on the new architecture (or reach 
>> out for specific help if you need it).
>> 
>> No, saying sorry won't make it right and no, it won't make it worth it for 
>> me. If I want very stable access to a single wiki, I'll use the API of that 
>> wiki.
>> 
>> --
>> Joaquin Oltra Hernandez
>> Developer Advocate - Wikimedia Foundation
>> 
>> It currently doesn't really feel to me that you're advocating for the 
>> developers, it feels more like you're the unlucky person having to sell the 
>> bad WMF management decisions to the angry developers.
>> 
>> Maarten
>> 
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