On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 6:22 PM, <kdam...@apache.org> wrote: > Lol, I am in agreement with you Rohit! > > I just don't see in the list a CLEAR answer to this thread.
I think after we switch over, we should send out an announcement, and list all the things need to be concerned as well: e.g. use reply all by default, no off-list chat, etc. --Sheng > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: rohityada...@gmail.com [mailto:rohityada...@gmail.com] On Behalf >>Of Rohit Yadav >>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:17 PM >>To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org >>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC >> >>On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Sheng Yang <sh...@yasker.org> wrote: >>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:11 PM, <kdam...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> Can we get a firm answer if we are go for abusing the reply-all button > now? >>> >>> +1 on abusing reply-all button. >> >>+1 i.e. to say fix your email client and not the ML. >> >>> >>> --Sheng >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> -kd >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Sheng Yang [mailto:sh...@yasker.org] >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:44 PM >>>>>To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC >>>>> >>>>>On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Rohit Yadav <bhais...@apache.org> >>wrote: >>>>>>>>> Even if we adopt ccing, it is a convention to get a more >>>>>>>>> efficient >>>> traffic >>>>>flow. It is not a must. It is your responsibility to adopt the >>>> conventions that >>>>>have evolved on the list to make the list more efficient such as >>>>>tagged >>>> topics >>>>>and ccing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What's the follow up? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think we agree to try adapt CC style? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think so, I see few emails with CCs in them. Send emails with CC >>>>>> to respective person boldly, and let them configure their email >>>>>> client so the email does not show up as two emails in their inbox. >>>>> >>>>>One thing need to be done from manager of the mailing list. Currently >>>>>the mailing list automatically remove all the CC/TO except mailing >>>>>list address >>>> itself >>>>>when sending out the mails, and no way to get people CCed >>>>>automatically after that. >>>>> >>>>>And with CC, the most important thing to remember is: Reply All. It >>>>>would >>>> be a >>>>>common mistakes when we start trying it, but I am sure we would be >>>>>used to it soon. >>>>> >>>>>--Sheng >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, I meant try to adopt CC style. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --Sheng >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --Sheng >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --Alex >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Sheng Yang [mailto:sh...@yasker.org] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:01 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Chip Childers >>>>>>>>>> <chip.child...@sungard.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Edison Su >>>>>>>>>> > <edison...@citrix.com> >>>>>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>> >> I am struggling to read all the emails on dev list >>>>>>>>>> >> everyday, it's just so >>>>>>>>>> many emails. Is it possible, that enable/allow/encourage us CC >>>>>>>>>> to somebody if you think the topic he/she should take a look >>>>>>>>>> at? I think it will save both of us a lot of time. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Edison, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > I'm fine with CC'ing someone specific when I know that I need >>>>>>>>>> > their attention, but two caveats that I'm worried about are: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > 1 - I find myself often needing the whole community's >>>>>>>>>> > attention, for VOTE threads or release planning updates, >>>>>>>>>> > etc... I struggle to understand how folks want to see this. >>>>>>>>>> > I thought that VOTE and ACS41 would be sufficient headers for >>>>>>>>>> > people to actually pay attention to, but it appears to not be >>working. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I believe the header should be sufficient in the most case, and >>>>>>>>>> that's exactly what's mostly other community did. But as you >>>>>>>>>> feel that it's not working well, that's probably means, people >>>>>>>>>> are lazy, in nature(though I think it's may be improved with >>>>>>>>>> CC'ing someone directly, but this should not be an issue even >>>>>>>>>> with our current mailing list policy). >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > 2 - If someone starts a thread, I would expect that they >>>>>>>>>> > would actually pay attention to that thread! I've seen times >>>>>>>>>> > when people start a thread, but don't respond to queries from >>>>>>>>>> > others in the community. This is especially vexing when the >>>>>>>>>> > thread is about a work that's in progress. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That's exactly what we want to address. People are not intently >>>>>>>>>> drop the thread, most of time, they just forgot. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you start e.g. 5 threads in a day, you maybe miss one or two >>>>>>>>>> of them in the next day. Or you start a thread one week ago but >>>>>>>>>> only got response 1 week later, you also may be miss it >>>>>>>>>> completely. And I personally feel even I am intently to find >>>>>>>>>> back my thread, it would take 10s even 30s to find my thread - >>>>>>>>>> it's very possible I missed it when skim for the first time, >>>>>>>>>> then realize where is that thread? Then check back again(that's >>>>>>>>>> what's happened to me this morning). That's very annoying. I >>>>>>>>>> suppose we would deal with the mailing list based on a >>>>>>>>>> priority, even we would skim them all. Of course on the top of >>>>>>>>>> priority list is the threads I involved. But I cannot tell >>>>>>>>>> which one it is with a glimpse in tens even hundreds of mails. >>>>>>>>>> What's we want, is we can pay attention to our threads >>>> easily. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LKML received hundreds of mail every day, I cannot image how >>>>>>>>>> can Linus Torvalds or Andrew Morton survive if the mail is only >>>>>>>>>> sent to mailing list, and they have to go through all the mails >>>>>>>>>> to find out which one got their attention yesterday(though I >>>>>>>>>> also believe they got tons of CC or TO mails as well). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --Sheng >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Thoughts? >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > -chip >>>> >
