On 6/24/12 11:14 PM, Kimihiko Kitase wrote:
Hi, We also want Japanese user mailing list like Chinese user mailing list. How 
do we create?

You'd need to create a ticket here:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA

You can see the previous request for the Chinese mailing list here.

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4944

Hope that helps!

Best,

Joe

--Kimi

-----Original Message-----
From: Edison Su [mailto:edison...@citrix.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:42 AM
To: cloudstack-...@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: CloudStack Chinese user mailing list

Glad to announce that CloudStack Chinese user mailing list is created, just few 
minutes ago.
To subscribe: please send email to 
cloudstack-users-cn-subscr...@incubator.apache.org.
BTW, it's Mandarin only though, maybe a little bit Cantonese is OK...:)

-----Original Message-----
From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:45 PM
To: cloudstack-...@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Can we use other language here?

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Sheng Yang <sh...@yasker.org> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:29 AM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Wido den Hollander
<w...@widodh.nl>
wrote:
On 06/19/2012 02:50 PM, Robert Schweikert wrote:

On 06/19/2012 05:43 AM, Lu Heng wrote:

Hi

One very interesting question raised by my Chinese tech today,
can we
use Chinese in the mailling list.

1. Seems there is no language restriction about in the mailling
list,
and all language should be equal.

2. As I read and touched these days in the mailling list, a lot
guy
from crixi developing CS are in fact Chinese.

Any thoughts?


If this is needed then we should have a language specific list.
However,
from a development point of view that'll put a big dent into
collaboration.


I'd see a cloudstack-users-cn mailinglist earlier then a Chinese
developer
list.

My €0,02 says we should stick to English on the development list
to
keep
collaboration consistent. English isn't my native language either,
but it
seems to be accepted as the language in software development?

As far as I know English is harder to learn for Chinese people due
to the
huge language differences. I wouldn't vote against a Chinese
development
list, but I wouldn't endorse it either, due to the above reasons.

Wido


My $0.02
Robert



Generally a project uses a single language for development purposes
and while there is no technical barrier, splitting up the developer
community by language seems more deleterious than beneficial.

This is further complicated by the fact that decisions have to be
made
on the mailing list - which then begs the question - where can
binding
decisions be made? In Apache projects that is supposed to happen on
the -dev list. However with two -dev lists that becomes a bit more
difficult.

  So my personal take on the matter:
We have a number of developers for whom English is not their native
tongue - but it remains a common tongue for us. I'd certainly have
no
objection to language-specific user mailing lists. But missing
entire
development conversations, strikes me as a bad thing.

Thoughts, comments, flames?

Agree. There should be no knowledge barrier between developers.

And I am quite believe in English education in China. Again, don't
worry about grammar or misspell etc.

And localized user mailing is necessary I think.

--Sheng

--David

Sheng, or Edison - feel free to create a ticket for INFRA at
issues.apache.org to create a Chinese language user mailing list.

--David


--
Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Twitter: @jzb


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