Thanks for the help. When you say the software raid has caused you a lot
of problems, what kinda problems has it caused you? Hard to set up? Not
reliable? The Raid controllers are really expensive and I wanted to
avoid purchasing one if possible but I still wanted to maintain some
redundancy for if a hard drive were to crap out. 

I had a few other questions. 

If later on I wanted to use this server (the dell 420c) for say a
regular office machine, or to play some games on. Would it be
possible/practicle to do so. 

Also if I do choose to get my own server would a regular business/server
telus line be enough to do the hosting? 1Mbps Upstream and 2.5 Mbps
downstream? I'm guessing not but.....

I'm going to look more into leased servers and see if that's the path I
should take. 

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Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [clug-talk] OT: Server Advice/ Help


Everyone has their own story when it comes to servers.  Some of my
thoughts are below. As usual, your mileage may vary.

I am beginning to transition to leased servers now.  I find it more cost
effective than using my own hardware, especially on bandwidth costs. For
a little over $100 CDN I can get both the server and the bandwidth (1000
Gigs per month on a 10 Mbit pipe).

Of course I will still maintain servers in town for backup (LDAP, SQL,
/etc/ and some user data), but most of my cost is the bandwidth ($140+
CDN for a weak telus pipe). My local servers are actually older
workstations with 3ware RAID cards. The load on the Athlon 1400Mhz right
now is: 0.08, 0.15, 0.17 and is serving email to ~300 users, 2 blog
sites, a webmail frontend, and a SSL web site.  I will saturate the
bandwidth long before I strain the actual hardware.

I would also stay away from software raid, it has caused me more grief
over the years than it has saved (both the linux LVM and Windows
equivalent).

As for local places selling cheap servers, you can get an account at
various places like LaTech, GCS, White Knight, PE, there are quite a
few.  Where you save in purchasing locally (Dell is hard to beat) is in
not paying the shipping fees, as well as gaining greater control over
the final configuration.  Memory Express is also quite reasonable.

Also, from what you described, I would get the cheaper server and load
it up with RAM, as opposed to the server with a second CPU option.

On Tue, 2005-07-06 at 23:38 -0600, Steven Kay wrote:
> I am looking to purchase a cheap entry level server. I plan to use it 
> as a webserver to host 2 postnuke sites and another download site 
> which will get about 1000 gig per month downloaded from it. Price and 
> expandibility are very important. Below I mention a few that I have 
> been looking at. Are there any places around calgary where you can get

> cheap servers? What do you think of the ones I mentioned below? Are 
> they overkill or not enough? This is my first time around with 
> something like this so any opinions would be greatly appreciated. 
> Thanks.
>  
>  
> So far the only place I've found cheap servers is dell. I've been 
> looking at the dells.
>  
> The one I especially had my eye on was the
>  
> PowerEdge SC1420
> ---------------------------
>  IntelR XeonT 2.80 GHz  (another processesor can be added later on) 
>  2 40 gig sata drives (i'm going to use software raid 1) 
>  512MB, 400MHz, 2X256MB, SINGLE RANK 
>  Onboard nic 
>  
> I liked this one (the sc1420,above) because later on I was thinking I 
> might need to drop another processor in there for more power. But it 
> costs a few hundred buck more.
>  
> And another option I was looking at was the
>  
>  
>  PowerEdge SC420
> ------------------------------------------
>  IntelR PentiumR 4 2.80 GHz 
>  2 40 gig sata drives (i'm going to use software raid 1)
>  512MB, 400MHz, 2X256MB, SINGLE RANK 
>  Onboard nic 
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