Beneteau 31 is too slow to be a consideration.  Even the Benneteau First
30, which ismore on the sporty side and pretty nice, hasn't done that well.

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Rick Brass <[email protected]>wrote:

> I’m surprised that no one has mentioned the new Beneteau 31. Trailerable.
> Lifting keel like a Seaward 32. New design that looks like a smaller First
> 367. Nice interior. And about $86k IIRC, without the trailer.****
>
> ** **
>
> And if you really liked the J/30, what about a J/95. Should be fast, the
> interior may be on the sparten side like the older J/30s (my 25 has better
> interior appointments than the 3 J/30s I sometimes race against). And of
> course there is no such thing as an inexpensive J boat. But I hear it is a
> worthy successor to the J/30.****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Hoyt,
> Mike
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:47 AM
>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fast 30 foot trailerable****
>
> ** **
>
> Pat****
>
>  ****
>
> LS 30 is a pretty neat boat and a great price for that concept.  I believe
> PHRF NE has it at 90.  LS10 is also kinda neat but a retread of an older
> yet successful design.  PHRF 132.  Think of that as a modern J30 but at
> $79K is a bit much used.  Only issues with LS30 are the very narrow beam
> and somewhat spartan interior - however the price uis very good****
>
>  ****
>
> Andrews 28 built only three hulls. One is for sale now on Yachtworld but
> is expensive.  over $100K but a pretty interesting fast cruiser.  Lots of
> great innovations and a very nice interior fro a lift keel trailerable
> boat.  PHRF is under 90 as well****
>
>  ****
>
> Columbia 30 (not the old one), Bravuria Sportser 29, Archambault A27
> (swing keel, under powered and heavy - but a good interior/spotboat look
> compromise - expensive),  Antrim 27  .. these are all along the FT10 ideas
> with sportboat look/feel and varying levels of interior  - mostly very
> little interior.  Probably the best of the lot is the Antrim - LS30 may
> also be there but something about that boat seems a bit off to me - cannot
> put my finger on it ... ****
>
>  ****
>
> I have been thinking along these lines for the past few months.  Want a
> modern design that is fast but like having an interior at teh end of the
> day and when you want to sail along with your friends (or in this case -
> anchor and wait a couple hours for them).****
>
>  ****
>
> Yes - these boats can be expensive new.  However my friend wanted a C&C 99
> when they first came out and was waiting for them to age to affordability
> and he now has one (although they did buy new in the end).  This entire
> exercise is nice because it is merely a game at this point but really helps
> to define what you (me) want in a boat and identify what is out there.  The
> concept of a MacGregor 26 that is not water ballasted, does not sail like a
> pig, is ramp launchable, does have a functional interior, is fast, is
> cutting edge, etc ... is interesting and has been done and is possible.***
> *
>
>  ****
>
> Interestingly during this process a couple of boats have jumped out at me
> for some of their features.  J30 - it did all but the trailerability and
> retracting keel portions.  C&C 101 - looks like a race boat (sort of) but
> still has a nice owners area forward of bulkhead and good crew
> accomodations and nice interior for lounging.  C&C 25-1 ... one of my
> favourites - a whole lot of boat in a 25 ft package and very capable at a
> bargain price.  There are others - my J/27 does an awful lot and is
> comfortable to sleep on, can be trailered, large cockpit, fun to sail,  is
> fast(ish), etc ... but needs travellift or crane, has very cramped interior
> when not sleeping, and is old ... 1987 ... ****
>
>  ****
>
> Still looking.  Have not won the lottery so someone else will have to
> build it.  Do think though that the Andrews 28 stretched out to 30 feet
> would do everything on my list .. if kept light****
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* CnC-List 
> [mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>]
> *On Behalf Of *Pat Nevitt
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:10 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fast 30 foot trailerable****
>
> Mike, Agree, this is fun and somewhat relevant to me.  I just sold my C&C
> 29-2.  Well, I think I did.  It made it through survey fine and I fixed a
> few minor items for the buyer.  We are supposed to exchange title for cash
> on Sunday.  I also recently sold my Lotus Elise.  I owned both outright and
> so I find myself in the position of cash in hand and wanting another boat
> rather than another car toy.  In the end, all the boats are a compromise.
> The boat that you described previously would be ideal, but I haven't found
> that yet.  I like the FT10 and the prices aren't bad - just look at the two
> for sale on SA, but I'm concerned about build quality.  Andrews 28 is
> awfully nice but at the extreme end of my price point.  What do you think
> about the Landing School 30 (LS 30)?  Not the LS 10, Tartan 10 remake.****
>
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