NC-PHRF also gives a single rating and assumes a 155% headsail and a spinnaker is used of standard size. However, practically all races have both spinnaker and non-spinnaker classes so there is no 'mixing' of the fleets.
When an overall race/regatta winner is required/desired or a distance race with a pursuit start is scored which has a mixed fleet, a constant +15 second/mile adjustment is applied to the non-spinnaker fleet PHRF handicap for scoring in the mixed fleet. Of course is done only when all boats sail the same course. It may not be the fairest way to score mised fleets, but it sure is simple! Charlie Nelson Water Phantom 36 XL/kcb Greenville, NC cenel...@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:06 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review I agree, but when is the last time you saw a J30 in a non-spin fleet? The real disadvantage in PHRF goes to the non-planing boats when the wind kicks up. My 35 is not planing in 20 knots of wind! On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com> wrote: Interesting but not really true. A planing hull loses its ability to plane without the spin and a J 30 is far less affected than a boat such as C&C 115 with a 200% masthead spin and max LP of 108% of J I do like the idea though. Single rating is so so much simpler. Also takes away the task of having to determine how much of the boat's speed is due to spinnaker and attempting to adjust. Base handicaps are far far easier to set than all of these adjustments. I like it! From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:48 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review PHRF Chesapeake gives a single rating. Races are either spin or non-spin. I guess they assume that use of a chute benefits everyone equally. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com> wrote: Explain how non spin and spin ratings are the same? From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jake Brodersen Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 10:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review Tim, I have a base rating of 123, which I think we can sail to pretty well in non-spin. Our boat has the same rating for spin and non-spin. For comparison, the J30 is rated at 141 here. When we sail with the spin fleet we have worked our way into the middle of the pack, which is about where I expect to be, based on our experience. The J30 keeps pace with us going upwind. We tend to do better going downwind. We do have some good local talent that we sail against, including a J30 national one-design champion. Most of our equipment is up to par, although both our .5 oz. and .75 oz. chutes are over 15 years old. They are in need of replacement, but still hold a pretty good shape. It's just the material is no longer as crisp as it once was. What we really like is the kick ass performance of the boat in the non-spin fleet. The boat is tough to beat in light air and we have plenty of that on the Chesapeake. Jake Jake Brodersen C&C 35 Mk-III Midnight Mistress Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim Goodyear Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:55 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Handicap review Eastern Connecticut Sailing Association is planning to review the C&C 35-3 PHRF handicap on March 26th. I've been invited to present our case with the owner of the only other 35-3 racing in the area. 35-3 owners (and others), what are your ratings (spinnaker) and how do they compare, and how are your results, against boats such as those below that we typically race against (I added a couple of other C&C's too)? The ECSA racing area (Long Island Sound) is predominantly light air. Thanks, Tim Soverel 33 89 C&C 99 98 Evelyn 32-2 99 Express 34 99 X372 100 Frers 33 108 J/29 MHOB 114 C&C 38-3 115 C&C 35-3 117 Santana 30-30 120 C&C 36 132 J/30 135 C&C 34 144 C&C 33 149 C&C 30-1 168 _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 _______________________________________________ his List is provided by the C&C Photo Album ttp://www.cncphotoalbum.com nc-l...@cnc-list.com
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