The term blooper can be confusing. Originally it was a sail set opposite the chute when going DDW. It balanced the IOR boats which might be prone to "rock & roll" downwind. Then either Hood or North, came out with a cruising chute they called a blooper; tacked at the stem with an adjustable pennant, but flown free. Not anywhere near the same animal. My experience with the cruising blooper is that it's best used dragged behind a car at 70mph. Seriously, I think a winged out genny would be more effective. Ron Wild Cheri C&C 30 STL
--- On Wed, 2/13/13, Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> wrote: From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 7:17 PM IIRC correctly bloopers prefer better than light air to be effective. I would guess 10 TWS and up may be successful. While I was involved in many odd blooper configurations I do not recall sheeting it like a headsail. There is an oft repeated line regarding bloopers (and staysails): They are ½ knot sails, you gain ½ knot when you put it up and you gain ½ knot when you take it down. In the 70’s and early 80’s the bloopers were popular in longer down wind legs and offshore work. On Transpac and Vic-Maui races we carried a hand crank sewing machine to fix the light weight bloopers as they often got wet then torn by a deep roll into a wave crest. One G. Frers 49 footed I sailed to Hawaii had a large rudder that allowed us to set up DDW with a smallish 1.5 oz blooper and put on a contest to see who could dip the pole tip and boom end more times consecutively. The off watch complained about something regarding spaghetti on the sole. In very light DDW conditions give a poled out headsail on one side and a light staysail on the other a try. The non collapsing projected area of the poled out headsail can be effective against an “elephant ass” shaped spinnaker that collapses every few minutes. Martin Calypso 1970 C&C 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:18 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review Neil Did you ever use your blooper or staysail? I was wondering if either of these would have a use in light air, either used as the only headsail off the wind. I am planning to try that next summer. Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of schiller Sent: February 13, 2013 8:08 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review We have a 1/2 oz Drifter on Corsair that was made in 1971 that is always on the boat. I can make a knot of boat speed with a knot of wind with it. It has a wire luff that we can fly with the 150 rolled up. This sail needs to be on the deck if the wind makes 8 knots true, but between 3 and 6 knots it is a great adder. Corsair came with this Drifter, a Blooper, and three spinnakers (1/2 oz, 3/4 oz and 1.5 oz). Corsair was purchased for the 71 Chi-Mac and the previous owners never got rid of anything (including the old EPIRB and Loran). We have 20 some odd sails hanging in the Pole barn (3 #1's, 2 #2's, 1 #3, Blooper, Drifter, Staysail, 3 Spins, Banana Staysail, etc). Anybody need any hanked on sails? Neil Schiller 1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7 (C&C 35, Mark I) "Corsair" (originally christened as "Red Pepper") On 2/13/2013 5:50 PM, Gary Nylander wrote: Any of you old enough to remember the 'drifters'? We had one in the late '60's (friend's boat) that was about 180%. If you flattened that out and made it with a bit more of a luff/leech consideration, you would have an asym. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin DeYoung To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review Maybe the PHRF rating people see an asso much like a 150+% genny. I know when I stretch back Calypso’s 25 year old ¾ oz spinny on a tight reach the clew is back where a 160 – 170% headsails would be. Martin Calypso 1970 C&C 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:56 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review I'm a little surprised too. We are assuming the pole = J. I don't know if asyms are necessarily smaller. There are some big-axx Code 0's out there. The penalty may be due, in part, to the greater efficiency on a beam reach. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: I appreciate the analysis of when each sail is preferred, reaching vs running, but isn't an asym smaller than a full spinnake? I could see getting a rating hit for a sprit, just like a pole longer than J. Can't see why using an asym with standard pole would hurt his rating? Is he mounting the pole further forward? I think there is more to this. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City , NJ From: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:27:22 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review I checked with my expert - Cal 40 with both regular and asym. Flies both from the pole. He gets a 3 second hit for the asym (Ches Bay) and does not think it is worth it for sailing on the Chesapeake (not a lot of east/west winds for reaching). But, finds it is very handy for Newport to Bermuda ("it was 'the bomb' last time"). Figure that the 3 seconds is always so there has to be a lot of reaching to make up for the windward and leeward parts of a race. And, he says it is a b...h to jibe. Must go all the way out in front of the boat as you are turning the boat - has many opportunities to tangle up. And, a heavy boat like his doesn't get that quick acceleration that a light one may. He's hoping that ChesBay PHRF will re-think their policy. 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