John; I have a friend who is stepping up from a MacGregor 26 to a bigger boat. He might be a good prospect for the 34. Can you send me the particulars, and pictures, and the owner's contact information off list. I will get it all to him when I see him on Friday.
Rick Brass Washington, NC -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Maturo, John Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 1:38 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List bigger boat question I have a friend in Branford CT with a 1978 C&C 34 he is selling for $20,000. I have seen it and it is in good shape. Yanmar diesel, etc. He is going to send me the particulars. This could be a great boat for one of the listers. If anyone is interested I can also put them in touch with him directly. John Maturo john.mat...@yale.edu -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 11:23 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 89, Issue 8 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Bigger Boat Question (Knowles Rich) 2. Re: Bigger Boat Question (dwight veinot) 3. Re: Air vents C&C 30 (Frederick G Street) 4. Re: Connecticut, Fun Things (Frederick G Street) 5. Re: Bigger Boat Question (djhaug...@juno.com) 6. Re: Bigger Boat Question - CTC Moiture meter (dwight veinot) 7. Re: Bigger Boat Question (Dr. Mark Bodnar) 8. Re: Bigger Boat Question (Richard N. Bush) 9. Re: Bigger Boat Question (Dr. Mark Bodnar) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:22:01 -0300 From: Knowles Rich <r...@sailpower.ca> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question Message-ID: <ccdea7e1-c414-46d4-b6ee-92847131f...@sailpower.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark: With respect, I think you have a conundrum to deal with. You want a bigger boat for all the right reasons, but appear to be unwilling or unable to make the required investment in time, passion and money to make your dream a reality. All the commentary you have received to date is from people who have experience, and that advice has been pretty much spot on, with some excellent offerings. "Toy" may be your descriptor, but a 30' boat needs care and attention and will make both routine and unanticipated demands on your time, patience and resources. Your current boat just might be your best solution for the moment, even if it doesn't fulfil all your dreams. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-06-03, at 23:27, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca> wrote: > activities. > No matter what I just don't have a huge amount of free time, or spare $ - bumping up the boat is already a leap of faith. > But it fits - when I bought the M24 last year I renamed it "Big Picture" - on the basis that I don't really have the time or $ - but the looking at the big picture this is more important. I expect if/when I get a new boat I'll re-use the name (or Bigger Picture). ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 11:25:37 -0300 From: dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question Message-ID: <E506CDAFA35743DE95BD4C335C28551C@your4dacd0ea75> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve Good sails can be expensive...a boat that comes with a good sail inventory (especially a good main sail and furling genoa is a definite plus)?even if you don?t use spinnakers, a boat that comes with a good ? oz kite and all the associated lines, blocks, clutches and winches is always a good thing?and having lines lead aft through clutches is valuable when sailing single handed or lightly crewed. Good folding props are not cheap and aside from the increase in speed the boat will sail quieter than with a fixed blade prop. Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _____ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: June 4, 2013 10:31 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question Also, I'm going to go against some of the recommendations .. the creature comforts, hot water, head, etc .. on an old boat these systems will be old and likely need updating (some of them can be downright gross!). Unless they have been updated recently I wouldn't put a lot of value on old equipment. I replaced the head, holding tank, thru-hulls, knot/depth, stereo, speakers and all hoses on my boat after I bought it. I didn't want someone else's toilet and the holding tank was stainless steel, a problem waiting to happen. Now I have all new stuff and I didn't pay a premium for a boat that had old stuff, or stuff I didn't want. One thing that's nice to have on a used boat however is new sails. New sails are expensive! I guess I've split my considerations into "fundamental" sailboat systems (rig, sails, deck, motor, etc) and secondary, (water, toilet, cooking, etc). As long as the fundamental stuff is A1 don't sweat the other stuff, it's pretty easy to update most of that stuff... and then it's "your's". Have a look at the 32s. If you aren't racing they are a good buy. Even if you are racing, some people seem to do well with them. They are a good value in terms of size for the money.... and a pretty boat to boot. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com> wrote: I just went through this .. I had a Mirage 24. I think I'm younger than a lot of the listers here .. I'm not married, and I don't have kids. I do however, have a girlfriend, we live together and we sail together. I got her into sailing and she loves it, we call it "our boat". My requirements might be different than yours but first and foremost, I wanted the best boat for the money and a boat I would keep for a while, I'm not interested in changing boats every few years. This meant a boat that was in good shape and the biggest I could afford. I was originally looking at C&C 27s but people want a lot of money for those (comparatively), then 30's and the story was the same there .. I went to look at a C&C 32 on a whim, the ad had been on yachtworld for a long time so I thought what the hell, it's worth looking at .. most of the boats I had driven around to look at up to that point proved to be a waste of time and gas, this one was close by! I fell in love right away, like instantly. It was a bigger boat than I was planning on buying but it was in great shape. The first boat I looked at that had a completely dry deck. It does have an atomic 4. My thinking there was, better a well cared for 30 year old gasser than a poorly maintained 30 year old diesel. Either way, with an old boat comes an old motor and gas or diesel you'll likely encounter problems. The A4 equipped boats sell for less, which was attractive to me in my case. I'm a tinkerer and the Moyer Marine website has all the info and parts you'll ever need to keep an A4 running. I got the boat for less than 20k. Of course, I've spent a considerable amount updating it, but I'm happy with the boat and I love it. I like the C&C 30s as well but they are an older design and lack the quarter birth, which was something I found attractive in the 32, they are similar boats in a few ways though. The looks thing is important and I'll echo what another poster said .. you better think your's is the most beautiful boat in the anchorage. Good luck with the search. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I lost the tops and could only find the entire assembly in the stores. > Ron > Wild Cheri > C&C 30 > STL > > > --- On Mon, 6/3/13, Curtis <cpt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: Curtis <cpt.b...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Air vents C&C 30 > To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com > Date: Monday, June 3, 2013, 8:21 PM > > Does anybody know the opening of the cowl vents on the C&C 30MK1 they > come in all sizes and I want to order 2 online -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130604/fe 8aa43e/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:58:32 -0500 From: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Connecticut, Fun Things Message-ID: <27d94218-6505-4785-a18b-62bb91eea...@postaudio.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" John and all -- thanks for the tips! We've got plenty of places to visit, and more food options than we could possibly eat our way through in two days? :^) With my younger daughter graduating from high school Friday night before we catch the early-morning flight to Hartford, she'll probably just want to sleep for the weekend. But we'll definitely try to drag her along to see the sights. John Maturo, thanks for the offer of the tour of Yale. I'd like to see it sometime, but I have a feeling we're all college-toured out with our recent search. We will definitely try out some of the many seafood options you guys suggested, though. Thanks again -- this list is great! -- Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jun 4, 2013, at 7:01 AM, "Maturo, John" <john.mat...@yale.edu> wrote: > Fred, > > I am a native Midwesterner, a Lake Michigan and Huron sailor and racer in my youth out of Chicago and Detroit (C&C 29, Peterson 34, Tartan 10, Erickson 37 with several Chicago-Mackinaws under my keel). Since 1999 I have lived in Connecticut, so I think I can safely recommend some points of interest. > > On your way to Mystic, stop in New Haven for two things, Pepe's pizza on Wooster St. (said to be the place this delicacy started in America, and still baked in its original coal fired oven) and the newly renovated and expanded Yale University Art Gallery on Chapel St. It is free and one of the best in the world. It will bowl you over. > > One of the best CT shoreline seafood restaurants, very casual, is Lenny and Joes. The New Haven restaurant is on the water with a great view and outstanding New England seafood very reasonably priced and a good bar too. However, if you do go the Yale Art Gallery there is a great, French owned, French classic Bistro just one block south of the museum on Chapel St. called the Union League. This is a real treat, and will certainly impress your wife and daughters, but it is at least a business casual place and at lunch expect each meal with a glass of wine and a tip to run around $30. > > New Haven is a gem, with the gothic splendor (modeled after Oxford) of Yale in its center. I recently had a visit from some friends from England who are conversant with Oxford and Cambridge and they were duly impressed. By the way Chapel St. and Yale Campus was the set for a good part of the last Indiana Jones movie. > > I also highly recommend the town of Stonington, a few miles East of Mystic for a very well preserved Colonial and Victorian New England seaport village and likewise a very good seafood restaurant on a wharf, Skippers Dock. > > I am a fellow at Yale so if you care to stop I would be happy to give you and your family a quick, Cliff's Note, tour of inside the University. > > John Maturo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just google boat share and see what comes up. Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Knowles Rich <r...@sailpower.ca> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:22:01 -0300 Mark: With respect, I think you have a conundrum to deal with. You want a bigger boat for all the right reasons, but appear to be unwilling or unable to make the required investment in time, passion and money to make your dream a reality. All the commentary you have received to date is from people who have experience, and that advice has been pretty much spot on, with some excellent offerings. "Toy" may be your descriptor, but a 30' boat needs care and attention and will make both routine and unanticipated demands on your time, patience and resources. Your current boat just might be your best solution for the moment, even if it doesn't fulfil all your dreams. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-06-03, at 23:27, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca> wrote: > activities. > No matter what I just don't have a huge amount of free time, or spare $ - bumping up the boat is already a leap of faith. > But it fits - when I bought the M24 last year I renamed it "Big Picture" - on the basis that I don't really have the time or $ - but the looking at the big picture this is more important. I expect if/when I get a new boat I'll re-use the name (or Bigger Picture). _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 12:15:40 -0300 From: dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question - CTC Moiture meter Message-ID: <903A7E672EDA4BA28268769FFEA41D19@your4dacd0ea75> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On using a moisture meter to determine wet balsa core, there is nothing that says the water has to be distributed homogeneously (even on a small scale of inches for example) if it is in the balsa, but if the balsa is wet troubles will develop.personally I think the "tap" method is just as reliable as any meter.very distinctive difference between the sound of wet and dry core when you tap lightly on the surface and no more subjective than a meter that is not properly calibrated and used in conjunction with standard specimens of similar material with known water contents. Dry hardwood ready to burn contains about 20% water.if you put that hardwood in an oven at a temp over 100 C, say 200 C for a few hours and then do the measurement your meter might read closer to 0% water but it takes a fair time for all of the moisture to get baked out of the wood, like hours and a vacuum oven helps a lot.there are standard tests for determining moisture content in solids but the problem I have with readings from a meter is that no one I have seen using moisture meters has a set standard test specimens with certified known water contents over the range of interest to calibrate the meters, yet they report numbers claiming accuracy.analytically that is simply not possible without using standard specimens with known moisture contents for comparison. Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _____ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: June 4, 2013 9:32 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question - CTC Moiture meter Mark When I had my boat surveyed last week the surveyor compared my Canadian Tire Mastercraft moisture meter against the one he uses. It did indeed show the relative differences between wet and dry areas but the numbers as percentages are very high and not to be taken as true readings. That said if you check a known dry spot and then compare the number to anothe area it should help with identifying wet areas. You should also try it out on your boat and a few friends boats to get the feel of it before trying on boats that you may wish to purchase. We set it to Hard Wood setting and a bone dry area reads 25%. On the surveyor's moisture meter a dry area reads 15% Mike _____ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130604/64 8f8137/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 12:17:04 -0300 From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question Message-ID: <51ae04f0.1070...@accesswave.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Rich, Fair comments. I'm trying to balance both sides of the equation. Somehow getting the boat that lets me move more into the "boating" lifestyle, without making an all in jump. Maybe that partially explains the 2ftitis - people taking small steps in, finding they like it, and wanting to move up. Plus the opposite - the 2nd happiest day in a boaters life - when they sell the boat -- people who went for it, but ended up with too much to manage. I get that I'm trying to walk a tightrope, and I just might stick with my M24 for a little while longer, or I might make the jump and hope I'm right about where I want to end up. Mark --------------------- Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic www.bedfordchiro.ca --------------------- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 04/06/2013 11:22 AM, Knowles Rich wrote: > Mark: With respect, I think you have a conundrum to deal with. You want a bigger boat for all the right reasons, but appear to be unwilling or unable to make the required investment in time, passion and money to make your dream a reality. All the commentary you have received to date is from people who have experience, and that advice has been pretty much spot on, with some excellent offerings. > > "Toy" may be your descriptor, but a 30' boat needs care and attention and will make both routine and unanticipated demands on your time, patience and resources. > > Your current boat just might be your best solution for the moment, even if it doesn't fulfil all your dreams. > > Rich Knowles > Indigo. LF38 > Halifax > > On 2013-06-03, at 23:27, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca> wrote: > >> activities. >> No matter what I just don't have a huge amount of free time, or spare $ - bumping up the boat is already a leap of faith. >> But it fits - when I bought the M24 last year I renamed it "Big Picture" - on the basis that I don't really have the time or $ - but the looking at the big picture this is more important. I expect if/when I get a new boat I'll re-use the name (or Bigger Picture). > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:22:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard N. Bush" <bushma...@aol.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question Message-ID: <8d02f4e6b8f2ce7-cc4-61...@webmail-m232.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" OK Mark, here's another tack you could take... find another person on this list who is looking to move up to a larger boat... and say, has a 33 ft C&C in good condition... you can buy that boat and thus the other lister will be able to buy the bigger boat... simple right? Now, lets see, who might have a 33 and is looking at maybe a 37...hmmm.....any ideas? Richard 1987 33_II Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Mark Bodnar <drbod...@accesswave.ca> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 11:17 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question ich, air comments. I'm trying to balance both sides of the equation. omehow getting the boat that lets me move more into the "boating" ifestyle, without making an all in jump. aybe that partially explains the 2ftitis - people taking small steps n, finding they like it, and wanting to move up. lus the opposite - the 2nd happiest day in a boaters life - when they ell the boat -- people who went for it, but ended up with too much to anage. I get that I'm trying to walk a tightrope, and I just might stick with y M24 for a little while longer, or I might make the jump and hope I'm ight about where I want to end up. Mark --------------------- Dr. Mark Bodnar .Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) edford Chiropractic ww.bedfordchiro.ca -------------------- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 04/06/2013 11:22 AM, Knowles Rich wrote: Mark: With respect, I think you have a conundrum to deal with. You want a igger boat for all the right reasons, but appear to be unwilling or unable to ake the required investment in time, passion and money to make your dream a eality. All the commentary you have received to date is from people who have xperience, and that advice has been pretty much spot on, with some excellent fferings. "Toy" may be your descriptor, but a 30' boat needs care and attention and will ake both routine and unanticipated demands on your time, patience and esources. Your current boat just might be your best solution for the moment, even if it oesn't fulfil all your dreams. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-06-03, at 23:27, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca> wrote: > activities. > No matter what I just don't have a huge amount of free time, or spare > $ - umping up the boat is already a leap of faith. > But it fits - when I bought the M24 last year I renamed it "Big > Picture" - on he basis that I don't really have the time or $ - but the looking at the big icture this is more important. I expect if/when I get a new boat I'll re-use he name (or Bigger Picture). _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ______________________________________________ his List is provided by the C&C Photo Album ttp://www.cncphotoalbum.com nc-l...@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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