I'm new to this list and e-mail method but just want to let the fellow know who's having trouble with his steering quadrant that I removed an Edson wheel steering system from a C&C and may be able to help him with parts and or info. (I converted the vessel back to a tiller system) Thanks, JPD
-----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 89, Issue 70 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Steering Quadrant (Brett Arron) 2. Use of Cranes at Yacht Clubs (Robert Abbott) 3. Re: Use of Cranes at Yacht Clubs (Knowles Rich) 4. Re: CnC-List Digest, Vol 89, Issue 63 (Don Jonsson) 5. OOPS regarding subject RE: CnC-List Digest, Vol 89, Issue 63 (Don Jonsson) 6. Re: OOPS regarding subject RE: CnC-List Digest, Vol 89, Issue 63 (Knowles Rich) 7. Re: Steering Quadrant (Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR) 8. Re: Bow Rollers (Eric Frank) 9. Re: Use of Cranes at Yacht Clubs (Gary Nylander) 10. Re: Forgot -- There's Another Enterprise YouTube Video (Edd Schillay) 11. Re: Forgot -- There's Another Enterprise YouTube Video (Frederick G Street) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 22:14:09 -0400 From: Brett Arron <barro...@mac.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Steering Quadrant Message-ID: <15017c27-cade-493c-97b1-2d1209689...@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In my instance the new bored quadrant was a little over $300, the labor including removing and reinstalling the gas tank for access was 14 hours to remove old parts and to install new. Labor was the big expense. I had them replace the pulleys, chain, etc since the pulleys were also well worn. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2013, at 22:01, Jim Watts <paradigmat...@gmail.com> wrote: > You may prefer a whole new boat when you see the quotes. > > > On 26 June 2013 18:36, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: >> Damien, >> Check Edson.com >> You will find a catalogue showing several systems and several sized quadrants as diameter effects operation. I believe they will bore the right diameter quadrant to any diameter shaft, so measure the diameter of the quadrant and the diameter of your shaft and call them. >> >> Naturally, check condition of cable, chain, gears, idler pulleys, etc, because something else may have stressed the quadrant and caused the failure. Replace anything suspect. You may prefer a whole new system when you see the new design options? >> >> >> Chuck >> Resolute >> 1990 C&C 34R >> Atlantic City, NJ >> From: "Damien Morrissey" <morrissey.dam...@gmail.com> >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 7:50:23 AM >> Subject: Stus-List Steering Quadrant >> >> >> The problem is definitely the Quadrant. It has snapped into 2 pieces from the shaft across to the curved grooved part that holds the steering cable, the bolts are NOT missing. >> >> I can not find any name or product numbers in the pieces to aid in ordering the proper part from Edson or others. My camera crapped out yesterday so I will try again to get some pics. It is cast aluminum or white metal of some sort. >> >> It is generally a pie shaped part with a hole for the rudder post at one end. This end is in 2 pieces to clamp around that rudder post.There are 4 bolts to hold this together. It is about 6 1/2 inches across here with 2 eye bolts to attach the steering cable ends. The piece is about 10 inches from the rudder post end to the centre of the curved groove end. The curved end has 2 grooves for the steering cable and is about 12 1/2 inches across. It is about 1 1/2 thick. >> >> As a picture is worth a thousand words, I will cut the description here and post a pic as soon as I can. Until then, if anyone can help, that would be great. If it isn't an Edson part - who else could be the manufacturer ? >> >> >> Damien >> "Melissa Anne" >> Viking 33 - C&C Design >> Bay of Islands Yacht Club >> Corner Brook, NL >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> > > > > -- > Jim Watts > Paradigm Shift > C&C 35 Mk III > Victoria, BC > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is the 'certification of inspection' of the actual cranes under the Elevator and Lifts Act by the Department of Labor but it doesn't license and/or authorize who can use the cranes. Therefore, that's why the club has its own practices and policies.....we are self governing in this matter. First the spar crane, let assume there are approx. 250 'masts' at the club..... I estimate 60% to 70% are stepped/unstepped by 'contractors'. One contractor alone does approx. 100 yearly. These contractors appear to be very competent, but again, even they do not hold any 'official certification'. Then there are the masts serviced directly by 'owners' with their helpers. Many or most of these owners have been doing this for years and are just as competent/skilled as the contractors. This leaves the 'fringe group'....who are they and how many? Probably not a lot, if any, and probably do not have big masts. And if they do have big masts with no experience, they probably wouldn't even attempt to do the mast. As you know, if you don't know what you are doing, it can be quite intimidating. How many of these have the Waterfront Committee, or the yard staff, witnessed? It has been my experience, if the yard manager and staff observe the slightest area of concern when a 'crew' is servicing a mast, they intervene. The most common infraction I see is someone not wearing a 'hard hat' and when the yard staff observe it, they immediately intervene. Regarding the jib crane, again 'no official certification'....it's use is almost exclusively by boat owners. The 'yard staff' use it on a regular basis but they do not hold any 'official certification.' In my opinion, the majority of boats owners using the spar crane can do it better than the yard staff.....they do it on a regular basis....many weekly. Maybe the old saying comes into play here...."If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Maybe from a liability perspective, anyone using these cranes must sign a waiver.....club not responsible for members' use of cranes....make it an automatic part of club membership like buying a ski ticket.....this way, there is no extra administration involved for anyone. Bob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2013/06/26 12:39 PM, Knowles Rich wrote: > I'm on the Waterfront Committee at our yacht club and am reviewing the > club's policies relating to use of the spar and jib cranes. The spar > crane's capacity is 1,400# and the jib crane's 10,000#. The club > permits members to work on their own boats including re and re spars > and launching and retrieving boats that can be lifted by the jib > crane. Many of the boats such as J24's that fit within the jib crane's > capacity are dry sailed. > > Our current practise is for members and know contractors to attend a > briefing course on both cranes at least once every two years before > they be allowed to use them. We have the usual cordoned off areas and > hard hat rules. > > There are infrequent almost-accidents, occasional minor gear and boat > damage and an accompanying ongoing concern about safety. The one > serious accident that I can recall involved a member getting whacked > in the head by an errant mast. His hard head saved him, but he did > have to wear a neck brace for some time. He was fortunate. > > Your comments are welcome. > > Rich. > > Rich Knowles > INDIGO LF38 > Halifax, NS. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130626/b4 0739c4/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 23:40:25 -0300 From: Knowles Rich <r...@sailpower.ca> To: cnc-list Cnc-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Use of Cranes at Yacht Clubs Message-ID: <7243d6e7-97bd-43f4-b9dd-ff0c1961e...@sailpower.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for this Bob. Agreed on most points. I was simply trying to find out what others are doing. We have had a few accidents over the years that could have been avoided if the individuals involved had had a bit of common sense or instruction, the latter being easier to administer. We met tonight and I think we have a pretty good handle on where we are going. No major deviations but some tightening up on who and how. Cheers Rich Knowles INDIGO LF38 Halifax, NS. On 2013-06-26, at 11:30 PM, Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> wrote: Rich: Regarding the use of the spar and jib cranes at our club, I believe the existing practices and policies are working quite well. There is no 'official certification' or 'regulatory course' or 'spar/jib crane operator's card' regarding the use of these cranes imposed upon the club and its members by any govt entity .....nothing like a Small Pleasure Craft Operator's Card or driver's license. There is the 'certification of inspection' of the actual cranes under the Elevator and Lifts Act by the Department of Labor but it doesn't license and/or authorize who can use the cranes. Therefore, that's why the club has its own practices and policies.....we are self governing in this matter. First the spar crane, let assume there are approx. 250 'masts' at the club..... I estimate 60% to 70% are stepped/unstepped by 'contractors'. One contractor alone does approx. 100 yearly. These contractors appear to be very competent, but again, even they do not hold any 'official certification'. Then there are the masts serviced directly by 'owners' with their helpers. Many or most of these owners have been doing this for years and are just as competent/skilled as the contractors. This leaves the 'fringe group'....who are they and how many? Probably not a lot, if any, and probably do not have big masts. And if they do have big masts with no experience, they probably wouldn't even attempt to do the mast. As you know, if you don't know what you are doing, it can be quite intimidating. How many of these have the Waterfront Committee, or the yard staff, witnessed? It has been my experience, if the yard manager and staff observe the slightest area of concern when a 'crew' is servicing a mast, they intervene. The most common infraction I see is someone not wearing a 'hard hat' and when the yard staff observe it, they immediately intervene. Regarding the jib crane, again 'no official certification'....it's use is almost exclusively by boat owners. The 'yard staff' use it on a regular basis but they do not hold any 'official certification.' In my opinion, the majority of boats owners using the spar crane can do it better than the yard staff.....they do it on a regular basis....many weekly. Maybe the old saying comes into play here...."If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Maybe from a liability perspective, anyone using these cranes must sign a waiver.....club not responsible for members' use of cranes....make it an automatic part of club membership like buying a ski ticket.....this way, there is no extra administration involved for anyone. Bob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2013/06/26 12:39 PM, Knowles Rich wrote: > I'm on the Waterfront Committee at our yacht club and am reviewing the club's policies relating to use of the spar and jib cranes. The spar crane's capacity is 1,400# and the jib crane's 10,000#. The club permits members to work on their own boats including re and re spars and launching and retrieving boats that can be lifted by the jib crane. Many of the boats such as J24's that fit within the jib crane's capacity are dry sailed. > > Our current practise is for members and know contractors to attend a briefing course on both cranes at least once every two years before they be allowed to use them. We have the usual cordoned off areas and hard hat rules. > > There are infrequent almost-accidents, occasional minor gear and boat damage and an accompanying ongoing concern about safety. The one serious accident that I can recall involved a member getting whacked in the head by an errant mast. His hard head saved him, but he did have to wear a neck brace for some time. He was fortunate. > > Your comments are welcome. > > Rich. > > Rich Knowles > INDIGO LF38 > Halifax, NS. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130626/bc a8c0e5/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:26:38 -0700 From: "Don Jonsson" <dbjons...@shaw.ca> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 89, Issue 63 Message-ID: <008701ce72e6$224c8dd0$66e5a970$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I finally got the maps off of the cd I got. There are maps for the entire west coast of North and South America. So worse case I have them on my PC should I want to look at them in Mapsource. After that the first challenge was the Garmin card reader uses a driver that only works on 32 bit machines. So after much todo I loaded it on an older computer. And burned some of the maps onto your chip. Seemed to work fine. The maps are on there (unfortunately your old maps aren't any longer). But when I took it to the boat it said the were locked for that device. The issue is it has to be configured to work on my GPS which is controlled by Mapsource. You can only register two GPS's. Not problem I've only registered one, so I try and register the other. Two, or was it three, hours later still not registered. Get half way through the nightmare and it crashes. So, I'm going to take everything back to the bare bones and start again - i.e. revert to earlier versions of the software. Then I'm going to try and register my second GPS before I upgrade maps, etc. I'm likely going to need that cable to get my old GPS on the system and my old map. This will allow me to go after Garmin support. Did you have an extra on your boat? The guy I got it from says he can do it for me if all else fails, but I'm suspicious he won't run into the same problems. Don -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: June-25-13 11:12 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 89, Issue 63 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6430 - Release Date: 06/21/13 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:31:44 -0700 From: "Don Jonsson" <dbjons...@shaw.ca> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List OOPS regarding subject RE: CnC-List Digest, Vol 89, Issue 63 Message-ID: <008801ce72e6$d8c09f70$8a41de50$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello I just sent a message to this list by accident, how I don't know. Please disregard it. Sorry for the inconvenience. Don -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130627/89 5e3377/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:43:44 -0400 From: "Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR" <keith.morgenst...@navy.mil> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Steering Quadrant Message-ID: <416555317bfacf4495f3085eb84b015101776...@naeawnydez11v.nadsusea.nads.navy.m il> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" True, but it will likely be the last quadrant you ever buy. That Edson stuff is very high quality, and they know their stuff. -Keith -----Original Message----- From: Jim Watts [mailto:paradigmat...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 22:02 To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Steering Quadrant You may prefer a whole new boat when you see the quotes. On 26 June 2013 18:36, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: Damien, Check Edson.com You will find a catalogue showing several systems and several sized quadrants as diameter effects operation. I believe they will bore the right diameter quadrant to any diameter shaft, so measure the diameter of the quadrant and the diameter of your shaft and call them. Naturally, check condition of cable, chain, gears, idler pulleys, etc, because something else may have stressed the quadrant and caused the failure. Replace anything suspect. You may prefer a whole new system when you see the new design options? Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ ________________________________ From: "Damien Morrissey" <morrissey.dam...@gmail.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 7:50:23 AM Subject: Stus-List Steering Quadrant The problem is definitely the Quadrant. It has snapped into 2 pieces from the shaft across to the curved grooved part that holds the steering cable, the bolts are NOT missing. I can not find any name or product numbers in the pieces to aid in ordering the proper part from Edson or others. My camera crapped out yesterday so I will try again to get some pics. It is cast aluminum or white metal of some sort. It is generally a pie shaped part with a hole for the rudder post at one end. This end is in 2 pieces to clamp around that rudder post.There are 4 bolts to hold this together. It is about 6 1/2 inches across here with 2 eye bolts to attach the steering cable ends. The piece is about 10 inches from the rudder post end to the centre of the curved groove end. The curved end has 2 grooves for the steering cable and is about 12 1/2 inches across. It is about 1 1/2 thick. As a picture is worth a thousand words, I will cut the description here and post a pic as soon as I can. Until then, if anyone can help, that would be great. If it isn't an Edson part - who else could be the manufacturer ? Damien "Melissa Anne" Viking 33 - C&C Design Bay of Islands Yacht Club Corner Brook, NL _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:59:03 -0400 From: Eric Frank <efran...@mac.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Bow Rollers Message-ID: <189bf592-117d-45b6-8e01-94cafaa14...@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Stu, I contacted several people a couple of years ago. These contacts might help although their addresses may also be out of date. Eric Frank Cat's Paw C&C 35 Mk II Mattapoisett, MA Hi Frank, You will find pictures of the bow roller at: https://picasaweb.google.com/102494727123155985813/AnchorBowRoller Kingston anchor, http://www.kingstonanchors.com/ model BR-1. Pricey but works. To install we drilled two holes in the roller to match bolt holes in the bow stem - that's it. Let me know if I can take more pictures or if you need more details. Cheers, Peter Peter Deppisch <peter.deppi...@sympatico.ca> S/V Tangerine C&C35 MK II Lion's Head, Ontario or this, from Alan Bergen Alan Bergen <alan-at-h...@comcast.net> He sent pictures which I can email you. The material is 1/4" stainless. I made a cardboard template and had it cut for me. The shop drilled holes that were the correct size for tapping. Then I use it for a guide to drill the aluminum stemhead fitting on the boat. I tapped the holes in the stemhead fitting, and then drilled out the holes in the stainless plate for screw clearance. I think the screws (stainless) are 1/4 - 20. Alan Bergen C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR > Subject: Stus-List Bow Rollers > Message-ID: <4797630D28204921B91DDDB3A1F15E99@Security> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > If you look in the Do-it-yourself section of the Photo Album and Custom Bow Rollers, there are several links to contact the owners of the specific rollers. Unfortunately, these links do not work anymore. > > If you are still on the list, or know of these owners, please update me with their current email addresses. > > Tom ? Chameleon > Richard ? Anonymous > Joe ? Moonlight > Allan ? C&C 30 MKII > Tom ? C&C 34 > > Thanx > Stu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nothing heavy enough to cause major damage and few people use it to set masts - those that are set are quite light - anything bigger than that goes to real cranes at nearby boatyards. Plus, there are a lot of club 'regulars' around for assistance. Gary Nylander Maryland ----- Original Message ----- From: Knowles Rich To: cnc-list Cnc-List Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 10:40 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Use of Cranes at Yacht Clubs Thanks for this Bob. Agreed on most points. I was simply trying to find out what others are doing. We have had a few accidents over the years that could have been avoided if the individuals involved had had a bit of common sense or instruction, the latter being easier to administer. We met tonight and I think we have a pretty good handle on where we are going. No major deviations but some tightening up on who and how. Cheers Rich Knowles INDIGO LF38 Halifax, NS. On 2013-06-26, at 11:30 PM, Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> wrote: Rich: Regarding the use of the spar and jib cranes at our club, I believe the existing practices and policies are working quite well. There is no 'official certification' or 'regulatory course' or 'spar/jib crane operator's card' regarding the use of these cranes imposed upon the club and its members by any govt entity .....nothing like a Small Pleasure Craft Operator's Card or driver's license. There is the 'certification of inspection' of the actual cranes under the Elevator and Lifts Act by the Department of Labor but it doesn't license and/or authorize who can use the cranes. Therefore, that's why the club has its own practices and policies.....we are self governing in this matter. First the spar crane, let assume there are approx. 250 'masts' at the club..... I estimate 60% to 70% are stepped/unstepped by 'contractors'. One contractor alone does approx. 100 yearly. These contractors appear to be very competent, but again, even they do not hold any 'official certification'. Then there are the masts serviced directly by 'owners' with their helpers. Many or most of these owners have been doing this for years and are just as competent/skilled as the contractors. This leaves the 'fringe group'....who are they and how many? Probably not a lot, if any, and probably do not have big masts. And if they do have big masts with no experience, they probably wouldn't even attempt to do the mast. As you know, if you don't know what you are doing, it can be quite intimidating. How many of these have the Waterfront Committee, or the yard staff, witnessed? It has been my experience, if the yard manager and staff observe the slightest area of concern when a 'crew' is servicing a mast, they intervene. The most common infraction I see is someone not wearing a 'hard hat' and when the yard staff observe it, they immediately intervene. Regarding the jib crane, again 'no official certification'....it's use is almost exclusively by boat owners. The 'yard staff' use it on a regular basis but they do not hold any 'official certification.' In my opinion, the majority of boats owners using the spar crane can do it better than the yard staff.....they do it on a regular basis....many weekly. Maybe the old saying comes into play here...."If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Maybe from a liability perspective, anyone using these cranes must sign a waiver.....club not responsible for members' use of cranes....make it an automatic part of club membership like buying a ski ticket.....this way, there is no extra administration involved for anyone. Bob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2013/06/26 12:39 PM, Knowles Rich wrote: I'm on the Waterfront Committee at our yacht club and am reviewing the club's policies relating to use of the spar and jib cranes. The spar crane's capacity is 1,400# and the jib crane's 10,000#. The club permits members to work on their own boats including re and re spars and launching and retrieving boats that can be lifted by the jib crane. Many of the boats such as J24's that fit within the jib crane's capacity are dry sailed. Our current practise is for members and know contractors to attend a briefing course on both cranes at least once every two years before they be allowed to use them. We have the usual cordoned off areas and hard hat rules. There are infrequent almost-accidents, occasional minor gear and boat damage and an accompanying ongoing concern about safety. The one serious accident that I can recall involved a member getting whacked in the head by an errant mast. His hard head saved him, but he did have to wear a neck brace for some time. He was fortunate. Your comments are welcome. Rich. Rich Knowles INDIGO LF38 Halifax, NS. _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130627/18 eddda6/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:12:53 -0400 From: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Forgot -- There's Another Enterprise YouTube Video Message-ID: <cc5107dc-749a-4585-818d-5f757ab5e...@schillay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Graham, Our shirts are burgundy-colored. Since we're now on the Enterprise-B, we wanted crew shirts that matched the uniforms of the time. See: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-uUkf_pHt-Y/SZshR4_yfaI/AAAAAAAADQ0/SALYywbdsDo/s4 00/star_trek_vi.jpg And: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dkkiisjl2lt056r/CommanderRichard.jpg If you're going to go geek, go all in. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:22 PM, Graham Collins <cnclistforw...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Edd, I can not believe you guys were wearing red shirts, only Ensign Toast is supposed to wear those and the results are predictable! > Graham Collins > Secret Plans > C&C 35-III #11 > On 2013-06-26 12:32 PM, Edd Schillay wrote: >> This is from July 19, 2006 -- and I had nothing to do with it. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJu2Yco-sxk >> >> Someone was out filming the races, saw my boat for the first time, and then did some editing on his own . . . >> >> >> >> >> >> All the best, >> >> Edd >> >> >> Edd M. 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