Thanks for all your input.
You guys are awesome.
I've been reading posts here for a few weeks and have learned a lot.
Martin, I appreciate the invite but can't race that weekend. Perhaps
some time in the future.
And James, I will be back in touch because I think there's a good chance
--hopefully-- that I'll be a 38 owner some day soon.
Jim Lynch, Puget Sound
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1. Re: Advice for sailing shorthanded on C&C 38 or 35
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(Martin DeYoung)
3. Re: Advice for sailing shorthanded on C&C 38 or 35
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4. Re: 34R hull (Martin DeYoung)
5. KVH Instruments (=?utf-8?B?d3dhZGpvdXJuQGFvbC5jb20=?=)
6. Re: Advice for sailing shorthanded on C&C 38 or 35 (jtsails)
7. Re: Advice for sailing shorthanded on C&C 38 or 35
(Joe Della Barba)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 18:36:19 -0400
From: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Advice for sailing shorthanded on C&C 38 or 35
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Hi Jim,
I sail a C&C 32 short handed with my girlfriend pretty well exclusively. I
know it's not on your list but I can comment on the cabin top traveller.
Thus far, no problem. It's not ideal but it's not too bad. She sheets the
main, I sheet the genoa from the helm. Having those primary self tailers
makes all the difference.
Even the main halyard, it's up by the mast. I throw on the auto-pilot and
go forward to hoist. Again, not ideal but it works. If I keep the boat I'll
likely re-arrange the deck hardware to lead the halyards and reefing lines
back to the cockpit but for now it's not so inconvenient that it's a
priority.
Hope that's somewhat helpful.
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Jim Lynch <lynchja...@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi gang,
I'm determined to buy an old C&C 38 or 35 primarily as a cruiser.
I'm considering a 1977 C&C 38 Mark II in great shape. My biggest concern is
whether the boat is too large and too tender for my wife and I to handle it
cruising through inland waters of Washington state. It feels doable,
especially with a smallish jib on the furler, the traveler/main sheet in
the companionway and the main halyard routed to the cockpit.
But would the 35 be considerably easier to handle shorthanded? (Their
cabintop tavelers seem awkward when shorthanded.) Or should I consider
other old and affordable C&Cs like the 33, 34 or 36? I've cruised in heavy
boats and raced in light boats. I'm looking for a fun affordable C&C
compromise. I'd appreciate any input, especially from 38 owners or people
who've had to make similar decisions.
Thanks a lot, Jim
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 22:49:09 +0000
From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Advice for sailing shorthanded on C&C 38 or 35
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Jim,
There are several C&C owners in the PNW that sail similar sized boats short-handed.
A 77 C&C 38 should easily be used short-handed throughout the Salish Sea including
around Vancouver Island.
Calypso's co-owner and I race Calypso double-handed several times a year.
Using roller furling, lazy jacks, and a spinnaker sock keeps the sail handling
under control. A good anchor roller/windlass set up keeps anchoring from
becoming a barrier.
If you are free Saturday Oct 25th or Sunday Oct 26th Calypso will be racing in the
Cruiser / Racer class of SYC's Grand Prix. We have plenty of room if you want to get a
taste of vintage C&C sailing. If it is cold we will have the furnace running and we
don't flog to the crew into sitting on the rail. Email me at
calyps...@outlook.com<mailto:calyps...@outlook.com> if you are interested. Calypso
is moored at Shilshole Bay Marina, E dock.
Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lynch
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 3:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Advice for sailing shorthanded on C&C 38 or 35
Hi gang,
I'm determined to buy an old C&C 38 or 35 primarily as a cruiser. I'm considering a
1977 C&C 38 Mark II in great shape. My biggest concern is whether the boat is too
large and too tender for my wife and I to handle it cruising through inland waters of
Washington state. It feels doable, especially with a smallish jib on the furler, the
traveler/main sheet in the companionway and the main halyard routed to the cockpit.
But would the 35 be considerably easier to handle shorthanded? (Their cabintop tavelers
seem awkward when shorthanded.) Or should I consider other old and affordable C&Cs
like the 33, 34 or 36? I've cruised in heavy boats and raced in light boats. I'm
looking for a fun affordable C&C compromise. I'd appreciate any input, especially
from 38 owners or people who've had to make similar decisions.
Thanks a lot, Jim
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 18:56:06 -0400
From: "=?utf-8?B?d3dhZGpvdXJuQGFvbC5jb20=?=" <wwadjo...@aol.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Advice for sailing shorthanded on C&C 38 or 35
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Jim,
I don't know your experience level, but I went from 27 to 36, no problem. I
won't own a boat I can't sail alone. Frankly, the 36 is easier than the 27.
I know everyone wants everything back to cockpit, but think about the clutter
too. Depends on how nimble you are. A good reefing system for main and roller
furled headsail are the first things on my list.
My 2cents
Bill Walker.
Sent from my HTC
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From: "Jim Lynch" <lynchja...@comcast.net>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List Advice for sailing shorthanded on C&C 38 or 35
Date: Thu, Oct 10, 2013 6:18 PM
Hi gang,
I'm determined to buy an old C&C 38 or 35 primarily as a cruiser.
I'm considering a 1977 C&C 38 Mark II in great shape. My biggest concern
is whether the boat is too large and too tender for my wife and I to
handle it cruising through inland waters of Washington state. It feels
doable, especially with a smallish jib on the furler, the traveler/main
sheet in the companionway and the main halyard routed to the cockpit.
But would the 35 be considerably easier to handle shorthanded? (Their
cabintop tavelers seem awkward when shorthanded.) Or should I consider
other old and affordable C&Cs like the 33, 34 or 36? I've cruised in
heavy boats and raced in light boats. I'm looking for a fun affordable
C&C compromise. I'd appreciate any input, especially from 38 owners or
people who've had to make similar decisions.
Thanks a lot, Jim
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 23:00:43 +0000
From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>
To: "kenhea...@gmail.com" <kenhea...@gmail.com>,
"cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List 34R hull
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Even after my previous rant about offshore debris and the benefits of solid
glass, I would not hesitate to trade Calypso's heavy hull for a 37R laid up as
below for inshore and coastal racing.
For long distance offshore my preference for a solid lay-up anywhere near the
water line is much stronger. The key point for me is the ability to maintain
buoyancy using repair and jury rig techniques when sailing in waters where
assistance may be hours or days away.
In a collision with debris, a lightweight composite hull may suffer a failure large
enough that the crew would not have time to react. The old school overbuilt fiberglass
may fracture or puncture but in a smaller way allowing the crew to make temporary
repairs. Ditto for steel and aluminum. (Once sailed an old aluminum boat to Hawaii that
had enough corrosion issues the skipper actually said "We're sinking for sure".
Fortunately we were able to pump and patch enough to make it to a boat yard.
Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 3:08 PM
To: cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List 34R hull
>From the factory drawings, the Laminate Schedule for the 1990 C&C 37 R was:
C&C 37R Laminate, Hydrex resin used for the entire laminate.
Topsides (total thickness 1.16")
1. Gelcoat
2. 1.0 oz. Chop
3. 1.0 oz. Mat
4. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat
5. 1" Aircraft Balsa Core
6. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat
Bottom (total thickness 1.20")
1. Gelcoat
2. 1.0 oz. Chop
3. 1.0 oz. Mat
4. C77K/200 Kevlar Fabmat
5. 1" Aircraft Balsa Core
6. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat
I imagine the 34R would have bee about the same.
The 37+ was a bit thicker, both topsides and bottom.
Ken H.
On 10 October 2013 16:40, Robert Abbott
<robertabb...@eastlink.ca<mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca>> wrote:
I always thought the 34R hull was made from kevlar.....am I wrong?
Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2013/10/10 11:40 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote:
34R was made by a completely different company than the 99. I believe was also
not epoxy.
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:33 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking to upsize.
Mike
The new hulls are stiff but they hole through a lot easier than the hull of an
older C&C which has solid glass reinforced polyester...Once saw a power boat in
slow reverse with the ss swim ladder supports pointing aft...go too close to a 34R
and there was a hole through the hull...rather easy to puncture I thought
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 19:01:38 -0400
From: "=?utf-8?B?d3dhZGpvdXJuQGFvbC5jb20=?=" <wwadjo...@aol.com>
To: "=?utf-8?B?Y25jLWxpc3RAY25jLWxpc3QuY29t?=" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List KVH Instruments
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Anyone know a source for working kvh instruments. My analog wind display went
awry this summer. Masthead still putting out good data to the digital reads,
but analog dead on arrival.
Bill Walker
C n C 36
Pentwater, Mi.
Sent from my HTC
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 19:25:12 -0400
From: "jtsails" <jtsai...@gmail.com>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Advice for sailing shorthanded on C&C 38 or 35
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Jim,
I grew up sailing on a C&C 30 and 39, and I currently own a 1976 38 MkII. I
sail most of the time with my wife and two young daughters (so it's close to single
handing) and often take the boat out alone. The biggest challenge for me is
hoisting the main, it's a tall mast! But at least it is a short boom and small
main. I purchased a 125% jib this season and love it. One of the nicest things
about this boat is that it doesn't take a lot of power to drive and the 125 does a
great job in all but the lightest conditions. As an example, this past weekend we
upwind in 8 knots apparent with the gps showing over 6. I would suggest having a
good autopilot (I don't have one, Yet!) and a stack pack or similar system for the
main. Make sure the main halyard is led aft with a good two speed ST winch (I
recently added a Barient 21ST). I like the Barient because the high speed is geared
1:1 which is great for 95% of the hoist. All the new winches have the high speed
geared down to 2:1 and you hav
e to crank twice the revolutions.
The boat is plenty stiff, I've had it out in 25+ with the old 155 (off the
wind) and always been comfortable and confident. She seems to sail better if
you keep her relatively flat, heeling beyond 20 degrees adds no speed, just
steering effort.
Down below the boat works very well. With the family on board, I don't miss the
aft cabins of the newer boats at all.The wife and I use the V-berth and the
kids get the rest. We have done weekends with 7 people and day sailed with as
many as 12 and been very happy. The large ice box, being located outboard away
from the engine works well. We don't have refrigeration but don't feel we need
it for weekend cruising. A double sink would be nice, but we don't cook in the
galley very much. I did install an A/C system in the forward hanging locker and
that is a must have for us down here in the Southeast. Lots of storage! Head is
nicely sized, big enough to be usable without wasting a lot of space.
As you can probably tell, we are very happy with our choice of boats. I did a
lot of shopping and tire kicking and had a pretty good idea of what I was
after. The 35MkIII was my first choice but I never found one that was in good
shape. Our boat was in great condition and we all fell in love with it on first
sight!
My best advice is to not get in a hurry and look at lots of boats. And if you
want a boat that you will keep for a long time, make sure that you buy one that
you can look back at and think that you have the best looking boat in the area!
James Taylor
S/V Delaney
C&C38 MkII
Oriental, NC
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From: Jim Lynch
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:18 PM
Subject: Stus-List Advice for sailing shorthanded on C&C 38 or 35
Hi gang,
I'm determined to buy an old C&C 38 or 35 primarily as a cruiser. I'm
considering a 1977 C&C 38 Mark II in great shape. My biggest concern is whether the
boat is too large and too tender for my wife and I to handle it cruising through inland
waters of Washington state. It feels doable, especially with a smallish jib on the
furler, the traveler/main sheet in the companionway and the main halyard routed to the
cockpit.
But would the 35 be considerably easier to handle shorthanded? (Their cabintop
tavelers seem awkward when shorthanded.) Or should I consider other old and affordable
C&Cs like the 33, 34 or 36? I've cruised in heavy boats and raced in light boats.
I'm looking for a fun affordable C&C compromise. I'd appreciate any input,
especially from 38 owners or people who've had to make similar decisions.
Thanks a lot, Jim
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 19:50:50 -0400
From: "Joe Della Barba" <j...@dellabarba.com>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Advice for sailing shorthanded on C&C 38 or 35
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The 35 MK I is pretty easy to sail singlehanded. You can reach the jib sheets
from the helm and let the traveler down the track from the helm. I am looking
into putting a 6:1 mainsheet on so I can do everything from the wheel if need
be. That said, the boat is usually steered by Otto and I am in the forward
cockpit a lot.
Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com
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