Chuck: Good points. And the article in Yachting Monthly has great pictures and diagrams of the whole design.....and there is a way to "reef, apparently, but I haven't been able to get the article on line for sending to the group. Maybe you will have a better search strategy....
It's the October 2013 of Yachting Monthly published in the UK. I picked this copy up at the Paris Airport last month...it was the only magazine I saw in English so I grabbed it and then found the article..... I could scan the article to a PDF file and then attach the file to an email, but I'm not sure that's legal???? Best, Ron _____ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Flying lead keel + New Wing sail for monohullsala AC72. That soft wing sail is interesting. A monohull won't exceed hullspeed, so I'm not sure of the application? Maybe they just want to test their ideas regarding their strange mast? How do you reduce sail or put the rig away? Hmmm. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ _____ From: "Ron Casciato" <rjcasci...@comcast.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:15:11 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Flying lead keel + New Wing sail for monohulls ala AC72. Gary: If I saw the video correctly, from the force images, etc., the surface areas of the hull at speed are only about a quarter of the whole hull and on the rear quarter where he has a big rudder on each side. If the surface area of the hull approximates a much smaller hull shape, like a dinghy, then the rudder should be enough to hold leeway to a controllable amount..... It's the lift that our keels provide and I'm not sure he doesn't have some step or other shape in the hull under the water that might do the same thing..... I'm ready to fill out a APHRF handicap sheet and send it in just to shake it up a bit..... So now check out the web site for Formula-marine.com and scroll down to their Omer One Sail.... There is an article in the British journal of Yachting Monthly , October 2013 issue that tests this "Wing Sail " out on an Elan 37..... They have a short video with some dramatic views of this rig set up. Lots of good stuff going on out there...... http://www.formulamarine.com/projects-2/projects-carbon/omer-wing-sail The rest of their web sdite is also very interesting..... Best, Ron C. _____ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Russell Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:33 PM To: C&C List Subject: Re: Stus-List Flying lead keel Jake, Agreed. Gary On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Jake Brodersen <captain_j...@cox.net> wrote: Gary, With this type of design, a centerboard or other type of structure would be needed to avoid excessive leeway, On you second point, I agree. Stability will be vanishing as the bulb gets higher above the water. It could certainly make for some interesting sailing. Self righting might be an issue. Jake From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Russell Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:28 PM To: C&C List Subject: Re: Stus-List Flying lead keel My first problem with this canting design is that a typical keel performs two functions; a counter-balance for the forces against the sail, and a lifting foil to generate lift to windward to counteract leeway. I only see the counter-balance in this design. My second problem with this design is the fact that as heel increases, the effect of the keel weight gets less, unless you continuously adjust the cant angle to keep it just above the water. Am I missing something? I'm not saying these are insurmountable problems, but I don't see them addressed in Speed Dream. Gary On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: Hey Dwight, That's an amazing canting keel design. Guess we have to wait and see if such ideas will sell in the future? Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- ~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~ _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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