I have a rob ball Baltic 39 and I am replacing the discontinuous rigging except the forestay. New turnbuckles mast tangs and rod for a bit less than 5k. It seems like a reasonable number considering the current rigging is from 1978 the year of build
John Maturo 203-494-6782 > On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:56, "cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com" > <cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Wheel Wraps (Jim Watts) > 2. Re: Winterizing (sam.c.sal...@gmail.com) > 3. Re: re-heading rod rigging (Dave Godwin) > 4. Re: Wheel Wraps (Tim Sippel) > 5. Re: re-heading rod rigging (Dave Godwin) > 6. Installing shaft zincs (Ted Drossos) > 7. Re: re-heading rod rigging (Dennis C.) > 8. Re: 30 MKI weather helm (Curtis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 09:09:50 -0800 > From: Jim Watts <paradigmat...@gmail.com> > To: 1 CnC List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Wheel Wraps > Message-ID: > <ca+jz0fdva6c3fas7hxvtwsr0vdcfrtzddweppyerw1bueng...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > All the commercial wheel wraps seem to be made of Elkhide. Supposedly > (according to my increasingly suspect memory) it doesn't rot or go really > stiff with exposure. > > >> On 27 November 2013 08:56, Tim Sippel <tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com> wrote: >> >> I picture a Cow on the bow , shivering .. half dressed. >> >> Tim >> Toronto >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich >> Knowles >> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:52 AM >> To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Wheel Wraps >> >> You have to be careful though. One half has a lot of holes in it. >> >> Rich >> >>> On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:45, Wally Bryant <w...@wbryant.com> wrote: >>> >>> It's not as hard as it sounds. I did the same, only here in Mexico a >> half a cow hide cost about $20. >>> >>> Wal >>> >>> >>> Tim Sippel wrote: >>>> I went to Tandy leather and bought a doeskin hide (think it was about >> 80 >>>> bucks at the time ) , did at least 7 wheels with it .. cut it punch >> it >>>> sew it on .. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> This e-mail (and attachment(s)) is confidential, proprietary, may be >> subject to copyright and legal privilege and no related rights are waived. >> If you are not the intended recipient or its agent, any review, >> dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail or any of its content >> is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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Les >> courriels ne sont pas s?curis?s et vous ?tes r?put?s avoir accept? tous les >> risques qui y sont li?s si vous choisissez de communiquer avec nous par ce >> moyen. Si vous avez re?u ce message par erreur, veuillez nous en aviser >> imm?diatement et supprimer ce courriel (ainsi que toutes ses pi?ces >> jointes) de tout ordinateur ou support de donn?es sans en imprimer une >> copie. >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > -- > Jim Watts > Paradigm Shift > C&C 35 Mk III > Victoria, BC > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131127/62c85f81/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:10:11 -0700 > From: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing > Message-ID: <20131127171011.18198672.38376.8...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131127/adc360ad/attachment-0001.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:15:46 -0500 > From: Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List re-heading rod rigging > Message-ID: <c35e7a65-6c1c-4c79-9d65-da9812ad4...@me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > David, > > I had the same problems when I bought our current C&C 37, circa 1982. For me > at least it involved a good bit more than re-heading the rod. If you have the > same style Navtec rod ends and tangs that I did which may be likely given the > age of our boats then you may be in for a bit more that just re-heading the > rod. > > As regards my spreaders, the tips were fine but the root/base of each were > worn away to the point that you could grab the shrouds and pull them fore and > aft a good foot. Or better. The riggers simply hell-arc?d new aluminum and > drilled new pivot holes and we were off to the races. Well, docks maybe. > Anyway, don?t know if that is a solution for the tips but worth a talk with > the riggers. > > For the standing rigging, my Navtec tangs were the old ?Frankenstein neck > plug? style, comprised of stainless steel heads screwed to an aluminum > through bolt/rod. As related to me by the riggers, these were supposed to > move to allow some fore and aft movement. Over time because of the > interaction of the stainless and aluminum they seized up. As a result of that > the tangs began to cut into the head of the rod ends. > > We replaced all the tangs with the newer style stemball and stemball tang > technology. That was 13 years ago and I don?t have any distinct cost numbers > available for that work and they wouldn?t be useful by now anyway given > inflation. > > As Joel said, there are other options. When I added roller furling at the > same time, I opted to go with wire rigging for the forestay. > > Hope that helps. > > Best, > Dave > 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin > > >> On Nov 27, 2013, at 11:49 AM, David Folsom <dfolsom...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I am looking at redoing my rod rigging in the next few months. I know this >> topic has been discussed in the past, but I would appreciate your input. >> >> >> My upper spreaders are badly corroded at the tip- and so I am going to >> replace them. Does anybody have suggestions for where I can obtain just the >> tips? or do I have to replace the entire spreaders? >> >> I am also considering re-heading most of the rod, rather than replacing, as >> I can't afford to replace it all at this time. Does anyone have experience >> with getting the rod re-headed rather than replaced? I think I will have to >> replace the upper diagonal and the shroud that goes from the lower spreader >> to the top of the mast. I would then re-head the backstay, and the lower >> shroud and lower diagonal. The forestay is new. >> >> Does anyone have experience with replacing the mast fittings? I understand >> the fittings that were originally used are now considered obsolete. >> >> Finally, how much did people spend on their replacing the rod rigging? >> >> thanks again for the helpful advice >> >> David Folsom >> Rebel Maid, 1981 C&C 36 >> San Diego >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:16:33 -0500 > From: "Tim Sippel" <tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Wheel Wraps > Message-ID: > <694f055c6c52124ebfcd2c09b41d9c3f10044...@cl08mbc.rci.rogers.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I believe your correct on the Elkhide, and it's a touch more expensive than > doeskin. > > I can tell you my doeskin cover went 7 years and I just redid the top half > of the wheel > > > > Tim Sippel > GSM - TADIG Group > Rogers Wireless (CANRW) > Microcell (CANMC) > ( (647) 747-7381 > + Email: <mailto:tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com> > Toronto <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=250> > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:10 PM > To: 1 CnC List > Subject: Re: Stus-List Wheel Wraps > > > > All the commercial wheel wraps seem to be made of Elkhide. Supposedly > (according to my increasingly suspect memory) it doesn't rot or go really > stiff with exposure. > > > > On 27 November 2013 08:56, Tim Sippel <tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com> wrote: > > I picture a Cow on the bow , shivering .. half dressed. > > Tim > Toronto > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich > Knowles > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:52 AM > To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Wheel Wraps > > You have to be careful though. One half has a lot of holes in it. > > Rich > >> On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:45, Wally Bryant <w...@wbryant.com> wrote: >> >> It's not as hard as it sounds. I did the same, only here in Mexico a > half a cow hide cost about $20. >> >> Wal >> >> >> Tim Sippel wrote: >>> I went to Tandy leather and bought a doeskin hide (think it was about > 80 >>> bucks at the time ) , did at least 7 wheels with it .. cut it punch > it >>> sew it on .. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > This e-mail (and attachment(s)) is confidential, proprietary, may be subject > to copyright and legal privilege and no related rights are waived. If you are > not the intended recipient or its agent, any review, dissemination, > distribution or copying of this e-mail or any of its content is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. 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Les courriels ne sont pas > s?curis?s et vous ?tes r?put?s avoir accept? tous les risques qui y sont li?s > si vous choisissez de communiquer avec nous par ce moyen. Si vous avez re?u > ce message par erreur, veuillez nous en aviser imm?diatement et supprimer ce > courriel (ainsi que toutes ses pi?ces jointes) de tout ordinateur ou support > de donn?es sans en imprimer une copie. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131127/5de53ab3/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:25:00 -0500 > From: Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List re-heading rod rigging > Message-ID: <2d51019c-8f41-4229-924d-a6229588f...@me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > David, > > Well, I did find the costs for redoing the rod ends and tangs. In 1999 it was > ~$1,400.00 US so factor in inflation since then and that would come to about > $1,900.00. > > Maybe. > > Good luck, > Dave > 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin > >> On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com> wrote: >> >> David, >> >> I had the same problems when I bought our current C&C 37, circa 1982. For me >> at least it involved a good bit more than re-heading the rod. If you have >> the same style Navtec rod ends and tangs that I did which may be likely >> given the age of our boats then you may be in for a bit more that just >> re-heading the rod. >> >> As regards my spreaders, the tips were fine but the root/base of each were >> worn away to the point that you could grab the shrouds and pull them fore >> and aft a good foot. Or better. The riggers simply hell-arc?d new aluminum >> and drilled new pivot holes and we were off to the races. Well, docks maybe. >> Anyway, don?t know if that is a solution for the tips but worth a talk with >> the riggers. >> >> For the standing rigging, my Navtec tangs were the old ?Frankenstein neck >> plug? style, comprised of stainless steel heads screwed to an aluminum >> through bolt/rod. As related to me by the riggers, these were supposed to >> move to allow some fore and aft movement. Over time because of the >> interaction of the stainless and aluminum they seized up. As a result of >> that the tangs began to cut into the head of the rod ends. >> >> We replaced all the tangs with the newer style stemball and stemball tang >> technology. That was 13 years ago and I don?t have any distinct cost numbers >> available for that work and they wouldn?t be useful by now anyway given >> inflation. >> >> As Joel said, there are other options. When I added roller furling at the >> same time, I opted to go with wire rigging for the forestay. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Best, >> Dave >> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin >> >> >>> On Nov 27, 2013, at 11:49 AM, David Folsom <dfolsom...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I am looking at redoing my rod rigging in the next few months. I know this >>> topic has been discussed in the past, but I would appreciate your input. >>> >>> >>> My upper spreaders are badly corroded at the tip- and so I am going to >>> replace them. Does anybody have suggestions for where I can obtain just the >>> tips? or do I have to replace the entire spreaders? >>> >>> I am also considering re-heading most of the rod, rather than replacing, as >>> I can't afford to replace it all at this time. Does anyone have experience >>> with getting the rod re-headed rather than replaced? I think I will have to >>> replace the upper diagonal and the shroud that goes from the lower spreader >>> to the top of the mast. I would then re-head the backstay, and the lower >>> shroud and lower diagonal. The forestay is new. >>> >>> Does anyone have experience with replacing the mast fittings? I understand >>> the fittings that were originally used are now considered obsolete. >>> >>> Finally, how much did people spend on their replacing the rod rigging? >>> >>> thanks again for the helpful advice >>> >>> David Folsom >>> Rebel Maid, 1981 C&C 36 >>> San Diego >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:27:47 -0500 (EST) > From: Ted Drossos <replus...@aol.com> > To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List Installing shaft zincs > Message-ID: <8d0b9ad1fec5ba8-1478-82...@webmail-vm015.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Another option to help seat the zinc on the shaft is to use a "C" clamp > rather than striking the zinc with a hammer. You are less likely to damage > something using a clamp. > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131127/2b1341b5/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 09:44:27 -0800 (PST) > From: "Dennis C." <capt...@yahoo.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List re-heading rod rigging > Message-ID: > <1385574267.70871.yahoomail...@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Rod rigging can be re-headed fairly easily by a Navtec shop.? I used Florida > Rigging and Hydraulic.? > > Remove the rod, coil it to no LESS than 200 x rod diameter, strap it to an > "X" made of 2x4's, ship it. > > Remember, it will be a little shorter when you get it back. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: David Folsom <dfolsom...@gmail.com> >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:49 AM >> Subject: Stus-List re-heading rod rigging >> >> >> >> I am looking at redoing my rod rigging in the next few months. I know this >> topic has been discussed in the? past, but I would appreciate your input. >> >> >> >> My upper spreaders are badly corroded at the tip- and so I am going to >> replace them. Does anybody have suggestions for where I can obtain just the >> tips? or do I have to replace the entire spreaders? >> >> >> I am also considering re-heading most of the rod, rather than replacing, as >> I can't afford to replace it all at this time. Does anyone have experience >> with getting the rod re-headed rather than replaced? I think I will have to >> replace the upper diagonal and the shroud that goes from the lower spreader >> to the top of the mast. I would then re-head the backstay, and the lower >> shroud and lower diagonal. The forestay is new. >> >> Does anyone have experience with replacing the mast fittings? I understand >> the fittings that were originally used are now considered obsolete. >> >> >> Finally, how much did people spend on their replacing the rod rigging? >> >> >> thanks again for the helpful advice >> >> David Folsom >> >> Rebel Maid, 1981 C&C 36 >> >> San Diego >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131127/e273cda7/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:56:13 -0500 > From: Curtis <cpt.b...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm > Message-ID: > <CALf-bNSo7TkHL53PnngFfsEkgvU=auekbh-4dxvkme8eb0w...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Yes But. i'm new to this boat and to sailing. So not quite ready for the > fast stuff yet. Hopeful this summer. > > > >> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com> wrote: >> >> Isn't the sweet spot on a 30-1 only starting at 15+ knots? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of >> Curtis >> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:09 AM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm >> >> yea i'm with Ddwight on this one, >> My C&C30 mk1 # 675 loves 11 thru17 knots. >> I dont start thinking of a reef till i'm over 17 knots. I usley drop >> down to the working 115% first. If needed I will put the 1st Reef in >> around 18-22 knots. >> I have hade some uncontroled steering falling off the wind when >> tacking. that was my fault. not the boat. >> >> 1981 C&C 30 MK1 #675 >> >> Beaufort, Sc. >> >> >> >>> On 11/26/13, dwight <dwight...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I don't think you should have to reef that soon.what is the rake on >> your >>> mast >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of >> Aaron >>> Rouhi >>> Sent: November 26, 2013 7:31 PM >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm >>> >>> >>> >>> MK1 is stiff for sure but I just wish I had less weather helm. I >> generally >>> reef in anything above 10 knots... >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Aaron R. >>> >>> Admiral Maggie, >>> >>> 1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540 >>> >>> Annapolis, MD >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:46:07 -0400 >>> From: dwight...@gmail.com >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm >>> >>> The 30 MKI is just a much stiffer boat than the 30 MKII; see here: >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm >>> >>> I believe that makes a huge difference in how these 2 very different >> C&C 30 >>> designs perform going to weather, I believe this definitely has an >> effect >>> on >>> heel angle and propensity to round up...I would expect the 30 MKII to >>> outperform the 30 MKI in light air but in heavier air I would expect >> the >>> MKI >>> to outperform the MKII, even given that in most areas the MKII has a >> higher >>> rated speed potential and I believ that is due to the relative >> stiffnesses >>> of the boats...here on St. Margaret's Bay where we have mostly fresher >>> afternoon breezes the MKI rules >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dwight Veinot >>> >>> Alianna >>> C&C 35 MKII >>> >>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Bill Coleman <colt...@verizon.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Around the late 70's and early eighties the 20's and 39's were all >> getting >>> new, deeper rudders. The swept back keels didn't / don't help. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bill Coleman >>> >>> C&C 39 animated_favicon1 >>> >>> >>> >>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of >> dwight >>> veinot >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:48 PM >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't think it will ever sail as good as the MKI but there are other >>> advantages >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dwight Veinot >>> >>> Alianna >>> C&C 35 MKII >>> >>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:29 AM, Robert Gallagher <trys...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> My 30MKI had the mast raked back and the rigging on the tight side. >> Weather >>> helm yes, it could be a bear. Round ups never. I could bury the rail >> deep >>> and just keep plowing along. >>> My 30MKII's rudder will stall then round up out of control with to >> much >>> sail >>> up and not enough tension on the backstay. Too much heel and it gets >>> scary. >>> >>> All that being said im still learning on my MKII >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ This List is provided >> by >>> the >>> C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6368 - Release Date: >> 11/26/13 >> >> >> -- >> "Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, >> should really be running the world." - Nicholas Monsarrat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > -- > ?Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, > should really be running the world.? - Nicholas Monsarrat > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131127/2a93a174/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CnC-List mailing list > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 94, Issue 91 > **************************************** _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
