Thanks Rich, What I was intending to do.
Cheers! Alex Giannelia CC 35-II 1974 to be renamed after re-launch TORONTO, Ontario ag@@airsensing.com -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: December-28-13 9:42 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 95, Issue 101 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: PFD/life vest (Rich Knowles) 2. Re: Wind Storm Damaged Genoa (Rich Knowles) 3. Re: Wind Storm Damaged Genoa (Peter Fell) 4. 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Re: Wind Storm Damaged Genoa (Marek Dziedzic) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 03:38:15 -0400 From: Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List PFD/life vest Message-ID: <10e87256-3287-480f-8cd0-c0b693c03...@sailpower.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark: Come to the Binnacle today (Sat) and I'll walk you through the whole scenario. 9-5. Rich > On Dec 28, 2013, at 1:05, M Bod <drbod...@accesswave.ca> wrote: > > Apparently I've got a few $ coming for Xmas gift to address (a small bit of) > my new boat needs. > I thought it would be prudent to get a couple of comfortable inflatable life > vests. > Given my sailing over the last 2 yrs has all been in the Halifax harbor and > never in inclement weather, I've never felt a need to wear a vest. > I'm hoping to stretch a little further with the new boat, and therefore the > thinking that a life vest might be useful. > Given I've never worn one I'm a complete newb! > Any suggestions? > Should I bump up to a harness version just to have it if needed? I don't do a > lot of solo sailing - but I do a lot of sailing with 4 kids on the boat who > would be extremely hard pressed to come back for me if I was bobbing in the > water off the stern! > > What about automatic vs manual? > Preferred brand? > > I'm guessing you get what you pay for, and I realize that an uncomfortable > vest is unlikely to get worn, and therefore be worthless, but I'm also not > expecting to head out into heavy conditions. I could just go with my current > PFD if things turn a bit hairy. > But seems my mom likes the idea of keeping my head above water! So what do > you pick? between a $100 Mustang vest, a $130 PLASTIMO inflatable > vest/harness or a $2-400 Mustang/Spinlock vest/harness. > > Not planning to spend $400 - more the $100-150 range. > > Last - are the auto inflators easily maintained? Or am I buying $35-65 kits > every yr to keep vest functional? > > Thanks in advance for the advice. > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 03:51:08 -0400 From: Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca> To: Peter Fell <prf...@gmail.com>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa Message-ID: <89cfae7a-d970-451c-a42a-ecd531653...@sailpower.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" You said "Policy coverage is for depreciated value on sails and they will only cover ?reasonable cost of repairs actually incurred? for partial losses." Can you reasonably expect more than what your coverage offers? Rich > On Dec 28, 2013, at 3:28, "Peter Fell" <prf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well ... going from the nearest marine station we had 18 continuous hours of > wind over 50km/hr (30 kts). That?s the average of the last 2 minutes of each > hour. I was at the boat about 5-hours into that 18-hour time period and > everything was doing fine. > > Not sure on the maximum gust speeds but the forecast was a severe wind > warning with gusts 60 to 80 km/hr (30 to 40 kts). > > I?ve seen the comparisons between sailcloth that is completely toasted, limp, > etc.and mine ... and mine is light-years better than that. > > > From: Jim Watts > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 9:43 PM > To: Peter Fell ; 1 CnC List > Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa > > A ten-year-old sail is, in most insurance companies' eyes, a tarp. If it's > shredded by a 20-knot breeze, it's not even that good. Time for a new sail. > Merry Christmas! An excellent excuse. > > >> On 27 December 2013 20:39, Peter Fell <prf...@gmail.com> wrote: >> So a couple weeks before Christmas, a windstorm of 40 ? 50 km/hr ripped >> apart my 130 genoa overnight. It stayed furled on the boat but the top >> caught the wind and peeled it down, ripping 3 panels across the leech / UV >> cover, breaking the leech line, etc. No damage to the furler though ... I >> had that checked out by a rigger. >> >> Local loft says $500 to fix the sail but the ?designed shape has been >> compromised and repairs will not bring the sail back to pre damage >> condition?. That?s the loft manager?s wording verbatim. >> >> So far insurance underwriter has responded back to the adjuster that they >> are willing only to ?repair? the sail, with the net result of me spending >> another $250 (deductible) on essentially a ruined sail. The adjuster is >> going to try again with a different approach. I?ll hear back in the new year >> on that. >> >> I?m not obviously happy with this, considering, although the sail is 10+ >> years old, it was in pretty good condition (sailcloth and shape-wise) ... so >> much so that it was deemed worth it to have $500 of re-stitching, new UV >> cover, leach line, etc. done just over a year ago! >> >> Policy coverage is for depreciated value on sails and they will only cover >> ?reasonable cost of repairs actually incurred? for partial losses. Seems >> like pretty crappy coverage given what they consider ?reasonable? repairs. >> >> I think my loft manager needs to be a bit more descriptive in their wording >> as well. >> >> A new sail has been quoted from the loft at $2,500. Of course adding a new >> sail won?t allow me to increase the insured value of my boat either ... >> since it would not be a new equipment addition to the boat ... just a >> replacement. A little loophole I discovered earlier this fall when I asked >> about this regarding my newly rebuilt engine ... since it is not a new >> addition and most of the cost was in labour and replacing existing parts >> ... no value increase was deemed possible. >> >> OK, I?ve finished my rant! Anyone have any suggestions? >> >> Peter Fell >> Sidney, BC >> 1979 C&C 27 MkIII >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > -- > Jim Watts > Paradigm Shift > C&C 35 Mk III > Victoria, BC > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Rich Knowles Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 11:51 PM To: Peter Fell ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa You said "Policy coverage is for depreciated value on sails and they will only cover ?reasonable cost of repairs actually incurred? for partial losses." Can you reasonably expect more than what your coverage offers? Rich On Dec 28, 2013, at 3:28, "Peter Fell" <prf...@gmail.com> wrote: Well ... going from the nearest marine station we had 18 continuous hours of wind over 50km/hr (30 kts). That?s the average of the last 2 minutes of each hour. I was at the boat about 5-hours into that 18-hour time period and everything was doing fine. Not sure on the maximum gust speeds but the forecast was a severe wind warning with gusts 60 to 80 km/hr (30 to 40 kts). I?ve seen the comparisons between sailcloth that is completely toasted, limp, etc.and mine ... and mine is light-years better than that. From: Jim Watts Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 9:43 PM To: Peter Fell ; 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa A ten-year-old sail is, in most insurance companies' eyes, a tarp. If it's shredded by a 20-knot breeze, it's not even that good. Time for a new sail. Merry Christmas! An excellent excuse. On 27 December 2013 20:39, Peter Fell <prf...@gmail.com> wrote: So a couple weeks before Christmas, a windstorm of 40 ? 50 km/hr ripped apart my 130 genoa overnight. It stayed furled on the boat but the top caught the wind and peeled it down, ripping 3 panels across the leech / UV cover, breaking the leech line, etc. No damage to the furler though ... I had that checked out by a rigger. Local loft says $500 to fix the sail but the ?designed shape has been compromised and repairs will not bring the sail back to pre damage condition?. That?s the loft manager?s wording verbatim. So far insurance underwriter has responded back to the adjuster that they are willing only to ?repair? the sail, with the net result of me spending another $250 (deductible) on essentially a ruined sail. The adjuster is going to try again with a different approach. I?ll hear back in the new year on that. I?m not obviously happy with this, considering, although the sail is 10+ years old, it was in pretty good condition (sailcloth and shape-wise) ... so much so that it was deemed worth it to have $500 of re-stitching, new UV cover, leach line, etc. done just over a year ago! Policy coverage is for depreciated value on sails and they will only cover ?reasonable cost of repairs actually incurred? for partial losses. Seems like pretty crappy coverage given what they consider ?reasonable? repairs. I think my loft manager needs to be a bit more descriptive in their wording as well. A new sail has been quoted from the loft at $2,500. Of course adding a new sail won?t allow me to increase the insured value of my boat either ... since it would not be a new equipment addition to the boat ... just a replacement. A little loophole I discovered earlier this fall when I asked about this regarding my newly rebuilt engine ... since it is not a new addition and most of the cost was in labour and replacing existing parts ... no value increase was deemed possible. OK, I?ve finished my rant! Anyone have any suggestions? Peter Fell Sidney, BC 1979 C&C 27 MkIII _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131228/e506035c/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 05:30:32 -0500 From: Alex Giannelia <a...@airsensing.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List Has Mexico jumped the shark - NOW importance of HIN Message-ID: <1820d770a1e128438825b476052dffb0010cdd911...@vmbx111.ihostexchange.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" One of my takeaways from the Mexico story is that you need a visible HIN. About 2 or 3 owners ago, the transom underwent serious rebuild repairs and the HIN was covered up. I'm wondering now, if I ever take the boat out of Canadian waters, if that could contribute to a documentation problem. BTW, in our business, we had a contract about 5 years ago to map the 15 biggest cities in Mexico and once the civil air permits had been issued (took 2 months) no problems with authorities whilst in the country. So my heart goes out to the owners affected, but I think it will all get resolved, just don't try to push the rope. Alex Giannelia CC 35-II 1974 to be renamed after re-launch TORONTO, Ontario a...@airsensing.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 08:02:49 -0400 From: Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca> To: Peter Fell <prf...@gmail.com>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa Message-ID: <22e02f73-5ccd-44cf-92f3-66b0390a2...@sailpower.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Perhaps they should simply consider the sail damaged beyond repair and offer you the depreciated value less your deductible. That would likely leave you with a damaged sail and next to no cash. Rich > On Dec 28, 2013, at 4:34, "Peter Fell" <prf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > From my point of view it is what is considered ?reasonable? ... that?s a > definition as I think most would agree would be open to interpretation. If a > $500 repair results in a end-product that will ?not bring the sail back to > pre-damage condition?, then can it be considered ?reasonable?? Granted, we > all tend to accept that many repairs result in an end product not 100% as > original. > > From: Rich Knowles > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 11:51 PM > To: Peter Fell ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa > > You said "Policy coverage is for depreciated value on sails and they will > only cover ?reasonable cost of repairs actually incurred? for partial losses." > > Can you reasonably expect more than what your coverage offers? > > Rich > > >> On Dec 28, 2013, at 3:28, "Peter Fell" <prf...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Well ... going from the nearest marine station we had 18 continuous hours of >> wind over 50km/hr (30 kts). That?s the average of the last 2 minutes of each >> hour. I was at the boat about 5-hours into that 18-hour time period and >> everything was doing fine. >> >> Not sure on the maximum gust speeds but the forecast was a severe wind >> warning with gusts 60 to 80 km/hr (30 to 40 kts). >> >> I?ve seen the comparisons between sailcloth that is completely toasted, >> limp, etc.and mine ... and mine is light-years better than that. >> >> >> From: Jim Watts >> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 9:43 PM >> To: Peter Fell ; 1 CnC List >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa >> >> A ten-year-old sail is, in most insurance companies' eyes, a tarp. If it's >> shredded by a 20-knot breeze, it's not even that good. Time for a new sail. >> Merry Christmas! An excellent excuse. >> >> >>> On 27 December 2013 20:39, Peter Fell <prf...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> So a couple weeks before Christmas, a windstorm of 40 ? 50 km/hr ripped >>> apart my 130 genoa overnight. It stayed furled on the boat but the top >>> caught the wind and peeled it down, ripping 3 panels across the leech / UV >>> cover, breaking the leech line, etc. No damage to the furler though ... I >>> had that checked out by a rigger. >>> >>> Local loft says $500 to fix the sail but the ?designed shape has been >>> compromised and repairs will not bring the sail back to pre damage >>> condition?. That?s the loft manager?s wording verbatim. >>> >>> So far insurance underwriter has responded back to the adjuster that they >>> are willing only to ?repair? the sail, with the net result of me spending >>> another $250 (deductible) on essentially a ruined sail. The adjuster is >>> going to try again with a different approach. I?ll hear back in the new >>> year on that. >>> >>> I?m not obviously happy with this, considering, although the sail is 10+ >>> years old, it was in pretty good condition (sailcloth and shape-wise) ... >>> so much so that it was deemed worth it to have $500 of re-stitching, new UV >>> cover, leach line, etc. done just over a year ago! >>> >>> Policy coverage is for depreciated value on sails and they will only cover >>> ?reasonable cost of repairs actually incurred? for partial losses. Seems >>> like pretty crappy coverage given what they consider ?reasonable? repairs. >>> >>> I think my loft manager needs to be a bit more descriptive in their wording >>> as well. >>> >>> A new sail has been quoted from the loft at $2,500. Of course adding a new >>> sail won?t allow me to increase the insured value of my boat either ... >>> since it would not be a new equipment addition to the boat ... just a >>> replacement. A little loophole I discovered earlier this fall when I asked >>> about this regarding my newly rebuilt engine ... since it is not a new >>> addition and most of the cost was in labour and replacing existing parts >>> ... no value increase was deemed possible. >>> >>> OK, I?ve finished my rant! Anyone have any suggestions? >>> >>> Peter Fell >>> Sidney, BC >>> 1979 C&C 27 MkIII >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jim Watts >> Paradigm Shift >> C&C 35 Mk III >> Victoria, BC >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm wondering now, if I ever take the boat out of > Canadian waters, if that could contribute to a documentation problem. > > BTW, in our business, we had a contract about 5 years ago to map the 15 > biggest cities in Mexico and once the civil air permits had been issued (took > 2 months) no problems with authorities whilst in the country. So my heart > goes out to the owners affected, but I think it will all get resolved, just > don't try to push the rope. > > Alex Giannelia > CC 35-II 1974 to be renamed after re-launch > TORONTO, Ontario > > a...@airsensing.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 08:11:14 -0500 From: "j...@svpaws.net" <j...@svpaws.net> To: Peter Fell <prf...@gmail.com>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa Message-ID: <aeb42dcb-bfe3-404f-a293-0d0f76a65...@svpaws.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Gotta go with most others on this one - they're fixing the sail less your deductible. Sounds like they are holding up their end of the bargain. Lots of insurance companies out there. I'm sure someone will write the coverage you want (no deductible, replacement value, etc) - at a price. John Sent from my iPad > On Dec 27, 2013, at 11:39 PM, "Peter Fell" <prf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So a couple weeks before Christmas, a windstorm of 40 ? 50 km/hr ripped apart > my 130 genoa overnight. It stayed furled on the boat but the top caught the > wind and peeled it down, ripping 3 panels across the leech / UV cover, > breaking the leech line, etc. No damage to the furler though ... I had that > checked out by a rigger. > > Local loft says $500 to fix the sail but the ?designed shape has been > compromised and repairs will not bring the sail back to pre damage > condition?. That?s the loft manager?s wording verbatim. > > So far insurance underwriter has responded back to the adjuster that they are > willing only to ?repair? the sail, with the net result of me spending another > $250 (deductible) on essentially a ruined sail. The adjuster is going to try > again with a different approach. I?ll hear back in the new year on that. > > I?m not obviously happy with this, considering, although the sail is 10+ > years old, it was in pretty good condition (sailcloth and shape-wise) ... so > much so that it was deemed worth it to have $500 of re-stitching, new UV > cover, leach line, etc. done just over a year ago! > > Policy coverage is for depreciated value on sails and they will only cover > ?reasonable cost of repairs actually incurred? for partial losses. Seems like > pretty crappy coverage given what they consider ?reasonable? repairs. > > I think my loft manager needs to be a bit more descriptive in their wording > as well. > > A new sail has been quoted from the loft at $2,500. Of course adding a new > sail won?t allow me to increase the insured value of my boat either ... since > it would not be a new equipment addition to the boat ... just a replacement. > A little loophole I discovered earlier this fall when I asked about this > regarding my newly rebuilt engine ... since it is not a new addition and > most of the cost was in labour and replacing existing parts ... no value > increase was deemed possible. > > OK, I?ve finished my rant! Anyone have any suggestions? > > Peter Fell > Sidney, BC > 1979 C&C 27 MkIII > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm wondering now, if I ever take the boat out of > Canadian waters, if that could contribute to a documentation problem. > > BTW, in our business, we had a contract about 5 years ago to map the 15 > biggest cities in Mexico and once the civil air permits had been issued (took > 2 months) no problems with authorities whilst in the country. So my heart > goes out to the owners affected, but I think it will all get resolved, just > don't try to push the rope. > > Alex Giannelia > CC 35-II 1974 to be renamed after re-launch > TORONTO, Ontario > > a...@airsensing.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 08:13:22 -0500 From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> To: Peter Fell <prf...@gmail.com>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa Message-ID: <CAEL16P-b05EyjYhDjPP=qf9_ck6haykex51_k4gutaiiz67...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Try getting more quotes for a new sail. I paid less than that for a 135 on my 35/3 from Rolly Tasker. I would not repair a 10 year old sail. Joel On Friday, December 27, 2013, Peter Fell wrote: > So a couple weeks before Christmas, a windstorm of 40 ? 50 km/hr ripped > apart my 130 genoa overnight. It stayed furled on the boat but the top > caught the wind and peeled it down, ripping 3 panels across the leech / UV > cover, breaking the leech line, etc. No damage to the furler though ... I > had that checked out by a rigger. > > Local loft says $500 to fix the sail but the ?designed shape has been > compromised and repairs will not bring the sail back to pre damage > condition?. That?s the loft manager?s wording verbatim. > > So far insurance underwriter has responded back to the adjuster that they > are willing only to ?repair? the sail, with the net result of me spending > another $250 (deductible) on essentially a ruined sail. The adjuster is > going to try again with a different approach. I?ll hear back in the new > year on that. > > I?m not obviously happy with this, considering, although the sail is 10+ > years old, it was in pretty good condition (sailcloth and shape-wise) ... > so much so that it was deemed worth it to have $500 of re-stitching, new UV > cover, leach line, etc. done just over a year ago! > > Policy coverage is for depreciated value on sails and they will only cover > ?reasonable cost of repairs actually incurred? for partial losses. Seems > like pretty crappy coverage given what they consider ?reasonable? repairs. > > I think my loft manager needs to be a bit more descriptive in their > wording as well. > > A new sail has been quoted from the loft at $2,500. Of course adding a > new sail won?t allow me to increase the insured value of my boat either ... > since it would not be a new equipment addition to the boat ... just a > replacement. A little loophole I discovered earlier this fall when I asked > about this regarding my newly rebuilt engine ... since it is not a new > addition and most of the cost was in labour and replacing existing parts > ... no value increase was deemed possible. > > OK, I?ve finished my rant! Anyone have any suggestions? > > Peter Fell > Sidney, BC > 1979 C&C 27 MkIII > > > -- Joel 301 541 8551 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131228/75319337/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 08:14:22 -0500 From: "j...@svpaws.net" <j...@svpaws.net> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa Message-ID: <2adc85f6-4bba-4ce1-8e1f-41b1a009c...@svpaws.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Forgot to mention on my earlier response - sorry for your bad luck. John Sent from my iPad > On Dec 28, 2013, at 8:13 AM, Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Try getting more quotes for a new sail. I paid less than that for a 135 on > my 35/3 from Rolly Tasker. I would not repair a 10 year old sail. > > Joel >> On Friday, December 27, 2013, Peter Fell wrote: >> So a couple weeks before Christmas, a windstorm of 40 ? 50 km/hr ripped >> apart my 130 genoa overnight. It stayed furled on the boat but the top >> caught the wind and peeled it down, ripping 3 panels across the leech / UV >> cover, breaking the leech line, etc. No damage to the furler though ... I >> had that checked out by a rigger. >> >> Local loft says $500 to fix the sail but the ?designed shape has been >> compromised and repairs will not bring the sail back to pre damage >> condition?. That?s the loft manager?s wording verbatim. >> >> So far insurance underwriter has responded back to the adjuster that they >> are willing only to ?repair? the sail, with the net result of me spending >> another $250 (deductible) on essentially a ruined sail. The adjuster is >> going to try again with a different approach. I?ll hear back in the new year >> on that. >> >> I?m not obviously happy with this, considering, although the sail is 10+ >> years old, it was in pretty good condition (sailcloth and shape-wise) ... so >> much so that it was deemed worth it to have $500 of re-stitching, new UV >> cover, leach line, etc. done just over a year ago! >> >> Policy coverage is for depreciated value on sails and they will only cover >> ?reasonable cost of repairs actually incurred? for partial losses. Seems >> like pretty crappy coverage given what they consider ?reasonable? repairs. >> >> I think my loft manager needs to be a bit more descriptive in their wording >> as well. >> >> A new sail has been quoted from the loft at $2,500. Of course adding a new >> sail won?t allow me to increase the insured value of my boat either ... >> since it would not be a new equipment addition to the boat ... just a >> replacement. A little loophole I discovered earlier this fall when I asked >> about this regarding my newly rebuilt engine ... since it is not a new >> addition and most of the cost was in labour and replacing existing parts >> ... no value increase was deemed possible. >> >> OK, I?ve finished my rant! Anyone have any suggestions? >> >> Peter Fell >> Sidney, BC >> 1979 C&C 27 MkIII > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20131228/a19b9344/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 08:17:52 -0500 From: "j...@svpaws.net" <j...@svpaws.net> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List PFD/life vest Message-ID: <3c8f3242-3a99-4132-b122-99bfd015e...@svpaws.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I always wear a vest - it's one of the few good habits I have. For coastal during the day, I wouldn't worry about the harness as they just add bulk. Find the lightest certified vest you can - the cheaper ones are frequently lighter. It won't keep you on board, will provide some flotation until someone (hopefully) picks you up and sets a good example for younger folk. John Sent from my iPad > On Dec 28, 2013, at 12:05 AM, M Bod <drbod...@accesswave.ca> wrote: > > Apparently I've got a few $ coming for Xmas gift to address (a small bit of) > my new boat needs. > I thought it would be prudent to get a couple of comfortable inflatable life > vests. > Given my sailing over the last 2 yrs has all been in the Halifax harbor and > never in inclement weather, I've never felt a need to wear a vest. > I'm hoping to stretch a little further with the new boat, and therefore the > thinking that a life vest might be useful. > Given I've never worn one I'm a complete newb! > Any suggestions? > Should I bump up to a harness version just to have it if needed? I don't do a > lot of solo sailing - but I do a lot of sailing with 4 kids on the boat who > would be extremely hard pressed to come back for me if I was bobbing in the > water off the stern! > > What about automatic vs manual? > Preferred brand? > > I'm guessing you get what you pay for, and I realize that an uncomfortable > vest is unlikely to get worn, and therefore be worthless, but I'm also not > expecting to head out into heavy conditions. I could just go with my current > PFD if things turn a bit hairy. > But seems my mom likes the idea of keeping my head above water! So what do > you pick? between a $100 Mustang vest, a $130 PLASTIMO inflatable > vest/harness or a $2-400 Mustang/Spinlock vest/harness. > > Not planning to spend $400 - more the $100-150 range. > > Last - are the auto inflators easily maintained? Or am I buying $35-65 kits > every yr to keep vest functional? > > Thanks in advance for the advice. > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 08:42:28 -0500 From: blhick...@yahoo.com To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List Winch replacement, holes, etc. Message-ID: <064bed81-d8ce-4fce-a560-060047c68...@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thank you thank you thank you for all the great advice, suggestions and cautionary tales. I've got a bit more homework to do but I like the idea of winch pads if necessary. (I've seen them for ages, why didn't I think of that?!). Thx for the polishing suggestions too, Dennis. Aside from waxing and buffing, haven't messed with the gel coat. Will post a pic of finished work whenever that great day arrives. And now... Aside from the fall boat show discounts, is there any other time of year that is good for discounts. Defender looks like the best prices right now. Cheers, Barbara Hickson Fellers Flight Risk, 33-1 Charleston, SC. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 09:14:02 -0500 From: Joseph Bognar <jbog...@sympatico.ca> To: Peter Fell <prf...@gmail.com>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa Message-ID: <blu0-smtp80ef3a6713115657e8d32fcc...@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I tore my genoa in my spreader Tip one year. My agent said he would split the difference with me less the deductible on a brand new sail . When it came time to pay he covered the cost less the deductible . My sail was 25 years old also . I think it's time for a new insurance company . I have the Skippers plan from a large local insurer here in Toronto that specializes in boats Sent from Joe Bognar > On Dec 27, 2013, at 11:39 PM, "Peter Fell" <prf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So a couple weeks before Christmas, a windstorm of 40 ? 50 km/hr ripped apart > my 130 genoa overnight. It stayed furled on the boat but the top caught the > wind and peeled it down, ripping 3 panels across the leech / UV cover, > breaking the leech line, etc. No damage to the furler though ... I had that > checked out by a rigger. > > Local loft says $500 to fix the sail but the ?designed shape has been > compromised and repairs will not bring the sail back to pre damage > condition?. That?s the loft manager?s wording verbatim. > > So far insurance underwriter has responded back to the adjuster that they are > willing only to ?repair? the sail, with the net result of me spending another > $250 (deductible) on essentially a ruined sail. The adjuster is going to try > again with a different approach. I?ll hear back in the new year on that. > > I?m not obviously happy with this, considering, although the sail is 10+ > years old, it was in pretty good condition (sailcloth and shape-wise) ... so > much so that it was deemed worth it to have $500 of re-stitching, new UV > cover, leach line, etc. done just over a year ago! > > Policy coverage is for depreciated value on sails and they will only cover > ?reasonable cost of repairs actually incurred? for partial losses. Seems like > pretty crappy coverage given what they consider ?reasonable? repairs. > > I think my loft manager needs to be a bit more descriptive in their wording > as well. > > A new sail has been quoted from the loft at $2,500. Of course adding a new > sail won?t allow me to increase the insured value of my boat either ... since > it would not be a new equipment addition to the boat ... just a replacement. > A little loophole I discovered earlier this fall when I asked about this > regarding my newly rebuilt engine ... since it is not a new addition and > most of the cost was in labour and replacing existing parts ... no value > increase was deemed possible. > > OK, I?ve finished my rant! Anyone have any suggestions? > > Peter Fell > Sidney, BC > 1979 C&C 27 MkIII > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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