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On 1/3/14, Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com> wrote: > Can you rig an inhauler like the Farr 40s and many other classes do to get > the jib sheeted closer to centerline? > http://www.sailingworld.com/article/Gaining-Extra-Height-With-Inhaulers > > Andy > C&C 40 > Peregrine > > Andrew Burton > 61 W Narragansett > Newport, RI > USA 02840 > > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > +401 965-5260 > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 11:36, Curtis <cpt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I sheet mine of the toe rail with a block. I would love to bring in >> more center to the boat. Oneday I will put a track just behind the >> shrouds and next to the cabin house but on the deck and a 6 footer . >> Mine is now all the way back next to my main winch. >> >> On 1/3/14, Gary Nylander <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> wrote: >>> Keep us in the loop with your results and conclusions.... We don't get >>> much >>> heavy weather around here, but the few times we do, it would be very >>> interesting to have a sail combination which would let the boat perform >>> like >>> it should. Is your inboard track on the deck or the side of the cabin? >>> How >>> far inboard of the shrouds? How long? I have thought that my number 3 >>> (working jib) might work inside the shrouds, but it is just a little too >>> big >>> - it has a high clew which ends up right at the shrouds when sheeted to >>> my >>> track which is about three feet behind the shrouds and on the same >>> plane. >>> >>> I could cut it down a little and see - but wouldn't spend the money >>> unless I >>> was reasonably sure it would work. We don't get enough days with that >>> much >>> wind to spend a lot of time experimenting. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Michael Brown >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 10:38 AM >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30MK1 Racing ability >>> >>> >>> I have been experimenting with non-overlapping head sails on my 30-1. >>> A >>> pinstop track was >>> placed inboard and back of the shrouds. I took a guess that a sheeting >>> angle of 8 - 10 degrees >>> was a tight as would work on a heavy boat and a picked a higher clew so >>> that the sheet loads >>> would not be too much. Martin from Somerset Sails recut a main to make >>> a >>> #3 and made a >>> custom blade. Both Dacron, nothing fancy. >>> >>> The #3 has a soft entry ( a bit rounded ) even with full backstay >>> tension. >>> The blade is flat with a fine entry. >>> The #3 points OK and is forgiving, the blade points very well but needs >>> to >>> be kept in a narrow angle band to perform. >>> >>> There is not much guidance I could find on the internet as to what to >>> expect. >>> >>> Starting about 16 kts true the #3 is the fastest sail on the boat, >>> outperforms the 155% North 3DL, >>> the 155% UK carbon tape drive and the UK #2 for speed. I can point as >>> high as 30 degrees AWA >>> with most of the sails, the #3 likes about 32 degrees AWA. The #3 runs >>> well to around 22 kt with a >>> full main. Around 22 - 25 kts true we add a reef to the main and switch >>> to >>> the blade. >>> >>> I can hold 6.4 kts upwind with the #3, seen 6.7 a few times. Boat feels >>> perfectly balanced, and the >>> #3 and main work well together. Still playing with the trim, best angle >>> for VMG etc. >>> >>> Not as much experience with the blade, 24 kts+ and light waves are not >>> a >>> common combination in >>> the Toronto area. The one time out with around 28 kts the blade and a >>> reefed main gave a perfect >>> sail plan. Just the right amount of power, stayed upright and balanced. >>> Boats with too much sail >>> were heeled way over and sliding off the course, and smaller ( baggy ) >>> sails were giving the skippers >>> poor upwind performance. >>> >>> No conclusions yet on the appropriateness of inboard tracks and >>> non-overlapping sails on the 30-1, >>> but the trials are promising. I am considering getting a custom #3 cut >>> that is as large as possible, >>> maybe in the 102 -104% range, and enough depth to work in the 14+ TWS >>> range. Hopefully the >>> tighter sheeting angle and better matching with the main will overcome >>> the >>> smaller size. >>> >>> Michael Brown >>> Windburn >>> C&C 30-1 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 14:04:28 -0500 >>> From: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> >>> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30MK1 Racing ability >>> Message-ID: <0DC61BD7CA594F10A4005DD134E0600E@GaryPC> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >>> >>> For most of your racing, you will use the racing main and the 135 or >>> 155. I seldom use my working jib but we don't get a lot of heavy weather >>> around here. Keep the standard main for practice. You may be trying to >>> flatten it out too much....a genoa will produce a backwind which makes >>> the >>> main look terrible, but that is usual on a 30. >>> >>> You should sheet your 135 and 155's to the track near the winch. My >>> boat >>> didn't have any jib tracks when I got her, and I added a track which >>> starts >>> about a foot behind the shrouds (even with them) and is about 6 feet >>> long. >>> My sheeting point for the 155 is roughly in the middle of the lifeline >>> gate, >>> for my 140+/- it is at the front of the gate. The working jib goes just >>> past >>> the shrouds and I sheet it so that the clew just hits the shrouds. I >>> seldom >>> use it. >>> >>> Many 30's just used snatch blocks on the rail for jib sheets, but you >>> need something inside that, which your track should handle. >>> >>> When reaching, I use various methods to get the jib clew more >>> outboard >>> than my track will allow - I have spinnaker twings (tweakers) ( small >>> blocks >>> in about the middle of the boat on the rail ) which I can use to get the >>> clew back out to the rail. If it is blowing a bit, I have used snatch >>> blocks >>> to the rail - you have to get the clew more outboard or it just becomes >>> big >>> and round and slows the boat down. >>> >>> I have the spinnaker pole and an adjustable whisker pole, but seldom >>> use >>> the whisker - the rules penalize you for anything longer than 13.5 feet >>> (the >>> J measurement) and the spin pole is that long. >>> >>> Also the rules penalize anything bigger than 155%, so the 170 is only >>> good for cruising. If your rules allow larger genoas or longer poles, >>> then >>> you could use the 170 and an extended whisker pole and sail non >>> spinnaker. >>> >>> Check your PHRF rules - one of our groups allows you to sail >>> non-spinnaker with the rest of the fleet and get a 10% handicap >>> adjustment. >>> I don't think that is enough. Our other local group allows non-spinnaker >>> with a 15% adjustment and a cruising chute tacked to the bow with 7.5%. >>> Nobody allows genoas larger than 155% without penalty. >>> >>> My opinion is the 30 would not benefit from having inboard tracks for >>> the small jib. The boat is kind of fat (10 foot beam) and running the >>> jib >>> past the shrouds on the outside gives a sheeting angle of about 10-12 >>> degrees, which is about all it needs. As I don't sail in heavy weather >>> very >>> often (my working jib is still 'krinkly' after 30 years) so I may be >>> wrong >>> - as your previous owner built an adjustable little jib, you may have >>> different conditions. >>> >>> I also only have a single reef, but the boat was built for two - >>> again, >>> I don't seem to need it. >>> >>> If I were you, I would start by sailing non-spinnaker and find a crew >>> and develop your crew work. Then add the spinnaker to the mix. Learning >>> the >>> racing rules and tactics and changing sails and flying the spinnaker is >>> a >>> lot to absorb in a limited time. I don't know where you sail and don't >>> know >>> how many opportunities you have to race, but there is more to learn than >>> there is time for most of us. Find someone who has some experience to >>> help - >>> pick his/her brain to build your skills. Maybe let someone else drive so >>> you >>> can learn the skills that each person on the boat needs to you can coach >>> other crew later. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> -- >> “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, >> should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -- “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
