Mark
You forgot to mention that in RI there are no taxes on boats kept in
the state. A big plus if you buy a boat here no sales tax at all. No yearly tax
as well just a small registration fee.
Gary Kolc
"Liberty"
---- Mark G <mjg...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> I grew up on Cape Cod, spent ten years working in Groton, CT and living in
> Westerly, RI (which straddle Mystic), then relocated to Mattapoisett, MA for
> nine years to work in Newport, RI, then recently relocated to Dartmouth, MA.
> I sail a C&C 25 which I've owned and kept in Mattapoisett since 2007.
>
> At the risk of being beheaded by other listers, here are my thoughts:
>
> Yes, there are tax differences between the states and the pros / cons depends
> on your specific situation, everything from income taxes on federal pensions
> to excise taxes on cars and boats. However, MA, RI and CT are relatively
> similar in comparison to, say, NH. Housing prices and property taxes can
> vary quite a bit from town to town with the quality or reputation of the
> school system.
>
> As of a year ago, my realtor, who serves both MA and RI, said the real estate
> markets between the two states were like night and day. MA was recovering,
> RI was still depressed. I suspect not much has changed.
>
> There is plenty of wind on either Narragansett Bay or Buzzards Bay, but
> Buzzards Bay probably has a nastier reputation for its chop.
>
> Family commitments require me to be on the Cape frequently. Other than
> family, there is nothing on Cape Cod that is worth fighting the bridge
> traffic. While the largest traffic volume is between Memorial Day and
> Columbus Day, they maintain the two 80 year old bridges from around March 1st
> to Thanksgiving and that often requires lane closures. If you are not
> dissuaded, there are some nice harbors and yards in Bourne and Falmouth along
> the eastern shore of Buzzards Bay - Kingman, Red Brook Harbor, Barlow's.
>
> Aquidneck Island (Newport, Middletown and Portsmouth, RI) is also accessible
> only by bridges but bridge traffic is not much of an issue.
>
> The boat destruction of Hurricane Bob in 1990 drove a lot of changes to
> moorings around here, but I don't believe that every town made the
> recommendations into firm requirements. The place that actually had the most
> boat destruction over the last few years was New Bedford, which is protected
> by a multi-million dollar sea wall and hurricane gate.
>
> The north shore of Buzzards Bay is known as the South Coast, not to be
> confused with the South Shore, which extends along Cape Cod Bay from Boston
> to Plymouth. Mattapoisett is definitely an alternative to Marion worth
> considering. The yards in Marion, Bardens and Burr Brothers, are much bigger
> operations than Mattapoisett Boatyard, where I and at least one other lister
> keep our boats. Mattapoisett Boatyard is surprisingly friendly to
> do-it-yourself boatowners. This site has a pretty good video overview of
> Mattapoisett, as well as some other local harbors:
> http://newenglandboating.com/news/new-england-boating-tv-mattapoisett-dec-16.html
>
> The South Shore of MA isn't really known for sailing. I have done some
> sailing in this area, from Boston down to Cohasset or so, and you don't get
> the winds that you get on Buzzards Bay and Narragansett Bay. There are some
> nice sailing towns on the North Shore of MA, such as Marblehead.
>
> There are long (10+ year) waiting lists to get town moorings at most harbors
> I am familiar with on Cape Cod and the South Coast. To clear names off the
> mooring list, many towns now charge an annual fee just to remain on the list.
> However, unlike a few years ago, private moorings are readily available
> (either rented from someone, or through a boatyard). Of course, you pay
> market rate for these.
>
> As for airports, Logan (Boston) and Hartford are not nearly as easy to get to
> as TF Green in Warwick, RI. From Dartmouth, MA or Westerly, RI, you can be
> at TF Green in 30-35 minutes.
>
> Marion and Mattapoisett are much pricier than the adjacent towns of Wareham,
> Fairhaven, Dartmouth and Rochester. Newton, MA is very accessible from
> anywhere on the South Coast - an hour up RT 24 or 495, as is the rest of the
> Boston area. From Stonington, CT to Newton, MA would be a little less than
> two hours but it's not a difficult drive.
>
> Providence has come a long way in the last 10 to 15 years and has a lot of
> nice restaurants and small theatres.
>
> While pricey, even used, this book is a pretty good reference:
> http://www.amazon.com/Cruising-Guide-Narragansett-South-Massachusetts/dp/0070163049/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388723525&sr=8-1&keywords=cruising+guide+buzzards+bay
> .
>
> Melville located in Middletown, RI is just a few miles north of Newport but
> is very accessible from the north without having to venture into the crowds,
> traffic and parking of Newport itself.
>
> Mystic, CT and Bristol, RI also very nice places to live and sail.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----From: Bob McLaughlin <rmclaughli...@gmail.com>To:
> cnc-list@cnc-list.comSent: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 23:09:04 -0000 (UTC)Subject:
> Stus-List So New England retirement/harbor perspectives
>
>
>
>
> I’m interested in locals’ opinions of good towns to retire to and
> good harbor suggestions to move my C&C to in the So New England area.
>
>
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>
>
> We sailed our C&C 33-II for the past 22 years and last year moved up to a C&C
> 110 (6.5’ draft) with the intent of moving from the Midwest
> “back” in the next ~2-3 years to the southern New England area to
> retire and do more sailing. (I say “back” since I grew up
> sailing in NJ with many summers out to Nantucket. My parents lived in
> Newport for awhile too, so the area from ~Block I to Nantucket became the
> center of my interest and we’ve chartered there many times in the years
> since moving to St Louis.)
>
>
>
>
>
> Any thoughts of CT, RI or MA preferences? This may be mostly an issue of tax
> differences but are there some other state-wide issues someone might suggest
> for consideration?
>
>
>
>
>
> Our thinking regarding towns from afar is either the Narragansett Bay area or
> the northeastern shore of Buzzard’s Bay. It would be ideal to spend
> less than $500k for a 3-4 BR house or condo near the water/boat. Reasonable
> access to a major airport would be a plus too but not under the
> approach/departure flight path (an issue for the Providence airport/Greenwich
> area?), as well as nice shore activities such as theater etc.
>
>
>
>
>
> The early short-list to explore is below, though I’m curious what gem
> we’re overlooking or perhaps areas to eliminate. At one point
> moorings in some harbors had long wait lists. Is that still the case? What
> about the moorings themselves, are some harbors know for good
> facilities/better holding ground? Are helical screw mooring fields the way
> to go? I thought I read some towns were installing them. (Our family lost
> one boat to a hurricane when she dragged her mushroom anchor up onto a sea
> wall....).
>
>
>
>
>
> In RI:
>
>
> Bristol or the East Greenwich/Warwick area, though I wonder if it’s a
> bit far up the bay to get out to the islands quickly (though I like the idea
> of some protected sailing for the more blustery days). Bristol appears open
> to storms but I like the town and harbor area.
>
>
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> Newport would be great but I fear I’d grow weary of the summer crowds.
> Jamestown seems too open.
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> Anyone know about Melville? Wickford?
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> In MA:
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>
> Marion or Padanaram seem possibly idea, and I love insight to these. What
> about Mattapoisett? Is my thinking that getting onto the Cape is asking for
> traffic and crowd headaches correct?
>
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> In CT:
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> Stonington (though getting a bit east, our daughter lives in Newton MA- but
> right on I-95 maybe no further away by car than say, Marion...)
>
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> I’d welcome any thoughts and opinions from the List.
>
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> Bob McLaughlin
>
>
> Blue Devil
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> C&C 110
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