Someone asked how the Dutchman flaking system got its name. It was invented by Martin Van Breems now of Norwalk CT (Sound Sailing Center) but from his name presumably of Dutch origins
-- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Feb 24, 2015, at 08:19, David Knecht via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > On my last boat, I installed a set of EZJax (http://www.ezjax.com). They > were less expensive than the Harken and the setup was well designed. It is > not hard to do it yourself, but getting all the lengths and positions right > will take some careful measurements and probably several tries. I decided > that having someone experienced design the right sized system for my mast and > sail was worth the small extra investment. EZ-jax also had a nice setup for > retracting the lines, which makes it easier to hoist the sail. That said, I > am installing a Mack Pack/lazyjack on my current boat this spring if the ice > and snow melt before the sailing season is over. I liked their combination > of lazy jacks and sail cover. The setup that came with my boat was poorly > designed and a pain to use. It shows me that while you can cobble something > together that sort of works (what the boat came with), it does not make life > easier unless it works well. Dave > >> On Feb 23, 2015, at 11:27 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Burt, >> >> Only the Lazy Jacks don't require changes to your main sail. Both stack pack >> and the Dutchman system might require a completely new main (or major >> modifications to it) or a new sail cover. >> >> You can buy the Harken set or what I would suggest, assemble your own kit. >> This is not an overly complicated task. Fortunately, Harken and many others >> publish pretty good pictures and diagrams which you can use. >> >> A few points that you might find useful: >> - If you make your own set, be prepared that the amount of line required for >> the lazy jacks is way more than you would ever imagine. If I remember >> correctly I needed over 70 ft for a single Y system (two lines going to the >> boom). I eventually switched to three lines to the boom and it was around >> 100 ft. Keep in mind that it is usually much easier to cut the line than to >> make it longer (;-). >> >> - If it works for you, consider attaching the top end of the lazy jacks to >> the spreaders (10-15 cm/4-6" from the mast). This would make raising the >> sail much easier as the "slot" between the lines would be wider. >> >> - Many would say that using stainless steel rings, instead of little blocks >> is fine. My experience showed that the SS rings almost cut through the line >> (chafe) in one season. YMMV. >> >> - And lastly, if the cost of the Harken set seems prohibitive, but you are >> not feeling like assembling the set yourself, you should be able to find >> something in a local chandlery or on-line. For comparison, e.g. Sailboat >> Owners sells the Harken kit for around $360, but Catalina Direct sells a >> similar set (not brand name) for about $210. The fact that it is "Catalina >> Direct" does not mean that the set would not be useful, because there is >> nothing specific about the lazy jacks; it is just a few pieces of hardware, >> a piece of line and a few blocks. A kit like that has an advantage, because >> it comes with all screws, bolts, drill bits, taps, Tef-gel and instructions. >> Guessing from how you asked you question, you might not have too much >> experience with boat work, so a kit like that might be an easier way to >> tackle the job. >> >> Good luck >> >> Marek (in cold Ottawa) >> Btw. It was so cold tonight (around -25 - -27 C at the hill, plus the >> wind-chill) that the local ski hill closed; second time this year! >> >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt >> Stratton via CnC-List >> Sent: February-23-15 21:07 >> To: 'Dennis C.'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main >> >> Dennis, >> >> Believe it or not I used that method out of desperation. I was admittedly a >> little embarrassed. I thought I was just demonstrating my lack of >> experience. I was also pretty happy with the result. I appreciate knowing >> otherwise. Newport has some pretty accomplished (and judgmental) sailors. >> There have been times I just gave up on the main and sailed with head sail >> only. This list is invaluable. Thanks >> >> I will look into the lazy jack system. I think it would be a reasonable >> upgrade to my rig. I am having the entire rig inspected soon. The rigger is >> going to pick it up in March. I’ll speak to them about this. Hopefully it >> cost less than all new self-tailing winches. >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. >> via CnC-List >> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:23 PM >> To: CnClist >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main >> >> Burt, >> >> Lazy jacks, Dutchman systems, etc. are all nice. I've installed several >> Harken Lazy Jack systems. >> >> However, try this simple cost free solution. This is what I do when single >> handing. >> >> Release the halyard and let the sail drop. Put a couple sail ties around >> your neck. Stand on one side of the boom in the middle and throw the main >> to the other side. Then lean over the boom and roll the sail into itself. >> Continue until it's a compact roll. Wrap a sail tie around the >> rolled/bundled sail tying it to the boom. >> >> Once you're anchored or docked, undo the roll and flake it nicely. >> >> I heard this technique described as "pocketing the main". >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> mandeville, LA >> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind… and helpful >> >> I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some >> sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and lowering of >> one’s mains’l >> >> I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen them >> on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of the >> main. The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when >> lowering or keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it >> might second as a topping lift. >> >> Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it >> something we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves… because we >> are sailors, after all) >> >> This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that >> specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat >> (roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge. >> >> 1974 C&C 33 - 3 quarter tonner >> On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow >> Walpole, MA >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > Aries > 1990 C&C 34+ > New London, CT > > <pastedGraphic.tiff> > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >
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