I removed the lazy jacks my boat came with and find dropping the main quickly puts the sail on the leeward deck providing a quick conversion to power with no windage issues to deal with and good visibility for the helmsman. Flaking the sail is easy working from the topping lift end of the boom. Yes I have a boom topping lift. I have never had a problem with the sail blowing over the side provided we are into the wind or in the relative calm of the harbor entrance. I like simplicity. Fewer things to tangle, get jammed, or wear out.
John Maturo 203-494-6782 Ashe, Baltic/C&C 39 Branford CT > On Feb 24, 2015, at 08:20, "cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com" > <cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cnc-2Dlist.com_mailman_listinfo_cnc-2Dlist-5Fcnc-2Dlist.com&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=tZVbZyCYCgvbTYbAkJ8bBnASBib4dFDFJe6iu1svntM&e= > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Furling the main (Marek Dziedzic) > 2. Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Ronald B. Frerker) > 3. Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Russ & Melody) > 4. Re: Handheld VHF with DSC (Della Barba, Joe) > 5. Re: Handheld VHF with DSC (Bill Bina - gmail) > 6. Re: Furling the main (David Knecht) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 23:27:36 -0500 > From: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main > Message-ID: <blu184-ds20adabd0e8520c4273c59ece...@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Burt, > > > > Only the Lazy Jacks don't require changes to your main sail. Both stack pack > and the Dutchman system might require a completely new main (or major > modifications to it) or a new sail cover. > > > > You can buy the Harken set or what I would suggest, assemble your own kit. > This is not an overly complicated task. Fortunately, Harken and many others > publish pretty good pictures and diagrams which you can use. > > > > A few points that you might find useful: > > - If you make your own set, be prepared that the amount of line required for > the lazy jacks is way more than you would ever imagine. If I remember > correctly I needed over 70 ft for a single Y system (two lines going to the > boom). I eventually switched to three lines to the boom and it was around 100 > ft. Keep in mind that it is usually much easier to cut the line than to make > it longer (;-). > > > > - If it works for you, consider attaching the top end of the lazy jacks to > the spreaders (10-15 cm/4-6" from the mast). This would make raising the sail > much easier as the "slot" between the lines would be wider. > > > > - Many would say that using stainless steel rings, instead of little blocks > is fine. My experience showed that the SS rings almost cut through the line > (chafe) in one season. YMMV. > > > > - And lastly, if the cost of the Harken set seems prohibitive, but you are > not feeling like assembling the set yourself, you should be able to find > something in a local chandlery or on-line. For comparison, e.g. Sailboat > Owners sells the Harken kit for around $360, but Catalina Direct sells a > similar set (not brand name) for about $210. The fact that it is "Catalina > Direct" does not mean that the set would not be useful, because there is > nothing specific about the lazy jacks; it is just a few pieces of hardware, a > piece of line and a few blocks. A kit like that has an advantage, because it > comes with all screws, bolts, drill bits, taps, Tef-gel and instructions. > Guessing from how you asked you question, you might not have too much > experience with boat work, so a kit like that might be an easier way to > tackle the job. > > > > Good luck > > > > Marek (in cold Ottawa) > > Btw. It was so cold tonight (around -25 - -27 C at the hill, plus the > wind-chill) that the local ski hill closed; second time this year! > > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt > Stratton via CnC-List > Sent: February-23-15 21:07 > To: 'Dennis C.'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main > > > > Dennis, > > > > Believe it or not I used that method out of desperation. I was admittedly a > little embarrassed. I thought I was just demonstrating my lack of experience. > I was also pretty happy with the result. I appreciate knowing otherwise. > Newport has some pretty accomplished (and judgmental) sailors. There have > been times I just gave up on the main and sailed with head sail only. This > list is invaluable. Thanks > > > > I will look into the lazy jack system. I think it would be a reasonable > upgrade to my rig. I am having the entire rig inspected soon. The rigger is > going to pick it up in March. I?ll speak to them about this. Hopefully it > cost less than all new self-tailing winches. > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. > via CnC-List > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:23 PM > To: CnClist > Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main > > > > Burt, > > Lazy jacks, Dutchman systems, etc. are all nice. I've installed several > Harken Lazy Jack systems. > > However, try this simple cost free solution. This is what I do when single > handing. > > Release the halyard and let the sail drop. Put a couple sail ties around > your neck. Stand on one side of the boom in the middle and throw the main to > the other side. Then lean over the boom and roll the sail into itself. > Continue until it's a compact roll. Wrap a sail tie around the > rolled/bundled sail tying it to the boom. > > Once you're anchored or docked, undo the roll and flake it nicely. > > I heard this technique described as "pocketing the main". > > > > Dennis C. > > Touche' 35-1 #83 > > mandeville, LA > > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind? and helpful > > > > I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some > sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and lowering of > one?s mains?l > > > > I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen them > on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of the main. > The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when lowering or > keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it might second > as a topping lift. > > > > Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it > something we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves? because we > are sailors, after all) > > > > This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that > specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat > (roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge. > > > > 1974 C&C 33 - 3 quarter tonner > > On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow > > Walpole, MA > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cnc-2Dlist.com_mailman_listinfo_cnc-2Dlist-5Fcnc-2Dlist.com&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=tZVbZyCYCgvbTYbAkJ8bBnASBib4dFDFJe6iu1svntM&e= > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cnc-2Dlist.com_pipermail_cnc-2Dlist-5Fcnc-2Dlist.com_attachments_20150223_d3abdfd4_attachment-2D0001.html&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=gkVe9LmWrJ6OlsRmYr3Jg_njrlMp5JmEWBOQp8y7hGs&e= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:05:41 -0800 > From: "Ronald B. Frerker" <rbfrer...@yahoo.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil > Message-ID: > <1424754341.42225.yahoomailba...@web122904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I presume Wal will continue to use it, so this would be for future > containment. > As for cleanup, one of the citrus products for oils & greases would be the > best way. More expensive than dishwasher soap, but quite effective. > Have no experience using the products on more sensitive skin areas. > Ron > Wild Cheri > C&C 30-1 > STL > > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 2/23/15, Russ & Melody <russ...@telus.net> wrote: > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil > To: "Ronald B. Frerker" <rbfrer...@yahoo.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Date: Monday, February 23, 2015, 8:11 PM > > > > Hi Ron, > > > Are you talking about the original event or spill > containment? > :) > > > Good question really, there was only one bottle but... > > > ???????? Cheers, > Russ > > ????????Sweet > mk-1 > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:55:13 -0800 > From: Russ & Melody <russ...@telus.net> > To: "Ronald B. Frerker" <rbfrer...@yahoo.com>,cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil > Message-ID: > <mailman.1167.1424784009.11791.cnc-list_cnc-list....@cnc-list.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Sorry Ron. > Somewhere along the way this got serious. > > Wally says he blew a container in his cockpit and asks for help > cleaning it up. <VBG> > We rally some help and he sorta comes clean, "I wasn't wearing > shorts and "oiled myself". > Yada yada. > You suggest he "may want to wrap them individually in plastic > grocery bags and duct tape. At least if they crack they'd be contained." > > HILARIOUS. We should have stopped there. > > Then it got too deep for me. > Cheers, Russ > > > > At 09:05 PM 23/02/2015, you wrote: >> I presume Wal will continue to use it, so this would be for future >> containment. >> As for cleanup, one of the citrus products for oils & greases would >> be the best way. More expensive than dishwasher soap, but quite effective. >> Have no experience using the products on more sensitive skin areas. >> Ron >> Wild Cheri >> C&C 30-1 >> STL >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Mon, 2/23/15, Russ & Melody <russ...@telus.net> wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil >> To: "Ronald B. Frerker" <rbfrer...@yahoo.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Date: Monday, February 23, 2015, 8:11 PM >> >> >> >> Hi Ron, >> >> >> Are you talking about the original event or spill >> containment? >> :) >> >> >> Good question really, there was only one bottle but... >> >> >> Cheers, >> Russ >> >> Sweet >> mk-1 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to >> the bottom of page at: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cnc-2Dlist.com_mailman_listinfo_cnc-2Dlist-5Fcnc-2Dlist.com&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=tZVbZyCYCgvbTYbAkJ8bBnASBib4dFDFJe6iu1svntM&e= >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 12:49:54 +0000 > From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> > To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC > Message-ID: > <6f4150f0f086413e94e5b5ef0ae8c...@nsc-dag3-06.ba.ad.ssa.gov> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.thegpsstore.com_Standard-2DHorizon-2DHX851-2DHandheld-2DVHF-2DRadio-2Dwith-2DGPS-2DP2312.aspx&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=zENlJNgA212BmJwWaF38o9e64bC_XbguYCQsWQtnjJQ&e= > > > Unless there is a flaw in these radios I am not aware of, this is the VHF > handheld bargain of the century. I would buy one or two of these PHRF or not. > I think I?ll get one myself just on general principles of being a cheap > sailor ? > > Joe Della Barba > Coquina > C&C 35 MK I > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pete > Shelquist via CnC-List > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:56 PM > To: 'Gary Nylander'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC > > Gary ? > I?ve been digging for the information you referenced on ?purchased? after > 1/1/15. Can you send me a link for that? > > Thanks, > Pete > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary > Nylander via CnC-List > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 12:33 PM > To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC > > Joel, I checked with our CBYRA rep and was told that CBYRA is not the > authority, it is PHRF of the Chesapeake. And I looked at the PHRF web site > and it states that if the handheld is PURCHASED after 1/1/15, then it must > have the DSC capability. > > Gary > St. Michaels > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:22 PM > Subject: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC > > All, > > Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a handheld VHF > with DSC this season. > > Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from > theGPSStore for $125.00 > > Any reason I should not buy this unit? > > 35/3 > The Office > Annapolis > Joel > 301 541 8551 > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cnc-2Dlist.com_mailman_listinfo_cnc-2Dlist-5Fcnc-2Dlist.com&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=tZVbZyCYCgvbTYbAkJ8bBnASBib4dFDFJe6iu1svntM&e= > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cnc-2Dlist.com_pipermail_cnc-2Dlist-5Fcnc-2Dlist.com_attachments_20150224_1574a806_attachment-2D0001.html&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=HU1f9W2TFcdud6Y6bW2ATp-CoBNyEVATfMDl9ZD9ids&e= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:07:47 -0500 > From: Bill Bina - gmail <billbinal...@gmail.com> > To: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>, > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC > Message-ID: <54ec77a3.5010...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" > > The only "flaw" is that it is a closeout sale to make way for the new > model HX870. The HX851 is a great radio, and at $125 is indeed a bargain. > > Bill Bina > >> On 2/24/2015 7:49 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote: >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.thegpsstore.com_Standard-2DHorizon-2DHX851-2DHandheld-2DVHF-2DRadio-2Dwith-2DGPS-2DP2312.aspx&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=zENlJNgA212BmJwWaF38o9e64bC_XbguYCQsWQtnjJQ&e= >> >> >> Unless there is a flaw in these radios I am not aware of, this is the >> VHF handheld bargain of the century. I would buy one or two of these >> PHRF or not. >> >> I think I?ll get one myself just on general principles of being a >> cheap sailor J >> >> */Joe Della Barba/* >> >> */Coquina/* >> >> */C&C 35 MK I/* >> >> *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of >> *Pete Shelquist via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 10:56 PM >> *To:* 'Gary Nylander'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC >> >> Gary ? >> >> I?ve been digging for the information you referenced on ?purchased? >> after 1/1/15. Can you send me a link for that? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Pete >> >> *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of >> *Gary Nylander via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Sunday, February 22, 2015 12:33 PM >> *To:* Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC >> >> Joel, I checked with our CBYRA rep and was told that CBYRA is not the >> authority, it is PHRF of the Chesapeake. And I looked at the PHRF web >> site and it states that if the handheld is PURCHASED after 1/1/15, >> then it must have the DSC capability. >> >> Gary >> >> St. Michaels >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:*Joel Aronson via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> >> *To:*cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> >> *Sent:*Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:22 PM >> >> *Subject:*Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC >> >> All, >> >> Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a >> handheld VHF with DSC this season. >> >> Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS >> from theGPSStore for $125.00 >> >> Any reason I should not buy this unit? >> >> 35/3 >> >> The Office >> >> Annapolis >> >> Joel >> 301 541 8551 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to >> the bottom of page at: >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cnc-2Dlist.com_mailman_listinfo_cnc-2Dlist-5Fcnc-2Dlist.com&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=tZVbZyCYCgvbTYbAkJ8bBnASBib4dFDFJe6iu1svntM&e= >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cnc-2Dlist.com_mailman_listinfo_cnc-2Dlist-5Fcnc-2Dlist.com&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=tZVbZyCYCgvbTYbAkJ8bBnASBib4dFDFJe6iu1svntM&e= >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cnc-2Dlist.com_pipermail_cnc-2Dlist-5Fcnc-2Dlist.com_attachments_20150224_1234a24a_attachment-2D0001.html&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=hQxMXf9GdOJLVV_NEJczH0p0e8gZPunKBo7ya-kHCFI&e= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:19:53 -0500 > From: David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> > To: CnC CnC discussion list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main > Message-ID: <83d8d193-fa50-4897-8e0a-27c7cd089...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > On my last boat, I installed a set of EZJax > (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ezjax.com&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=aPxS51UcJnWfHgPrrk9O7K2GfRzlBB07HIjYVUg29D0&e= > ). They were less expensive than the Harken and the setup was well > designed. It is not hard to do it yourself, but getting all the lengths and > positions right will take some careful measurements and probably several > tries. I decided that having someone experienced design the right sized > system for my mast and sail was worth the small extra investment. EZ-jax > also had a nice setup for retracting the lines, which makes it easier to > hoist the sail. That said, I am installing a Mack Pack/lazyjack on my > current boat this spring if the ice and snow melt before the sailing season > is over. I liked their combination of lazy jacks and sail cover. The setup > that came with my boat was poorly designed and a pain to use. It shows me that while you can cobble something together that sort of works (what the boat came with), it does not make life easier unless it works well. Dave > > On Feb 23, 2015, at 11:27 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Burt, >> >> Only the Lazy Jacks don't require changes to your main sail. Both stack pack >> and the Dutchman system might require a completely new main (or major >> modifications to it) or a new sail cover. >> >> You can buy the Harken set or what I would suggest, assemble your own kit. >> This is not an overly complicated task. Fortunately, Harken and many others >> publish pretty good pictures and diagrams which you can use. >> >> A few points that you might find useful: >> - If you make your own set, be prepared that the amount of line required for >> the lazy jacks is way more than you would ever imagine. If I remember >> correctly I needed over 70 ft for a single Y system (two lines going to the >> boom). I eventually switched to three lines to the boom and it was around >> 100 ft. Keep in mind that it is usually much easier to cut the line than to >> make it longer (;-). >> >> - If it works for you, consider attaching the top end of the lazy jacks to >> the spreaders (10-15 cm/4-6" from the mast). This would make raising the >> sail much easier as the "slot" between the lines would be wider. >> >> - Many would say that using stainless steel rings, instead of little blocks >> is fine. My experience showed that the SS rings almost cut through the line >> (chafe) in one season. YMMV. >> >> - And lastly, if the cost of the Harken set seems prohibitive, but you are >> not feeling like assembling the set yourself, you should be able to find >> something in a local chandlery or on-line. For comparison, e.g. Sailboat >> Owners sells the Harken kit for around $360, but Catalina Direct sells a >> similar set (not brand name) for about $210. The fact that it is "Catalina >> Direct" does not mean that the set would not be useful, because there is >> nothing specific about the lazy jacks; it is just a few pieces of hardware, >> a piece of line and a few blocks. A kit like that has an advantage, because >> it comes with all screws, bolts, drill bits, taps, Tef-gel and instructions. >> Guessing from how you asked you question, you might not have too much >> experience with boat work, so a kit like that might be an easier way to >> tackle the job. >> >> Good luck >> >> Marek (in cold Ottawa) >> Btw. It was so cold tonight (around -25 - -27 C at the hill, plus the >> wind-chill) that the local ski hill closed; second time this year! >> >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt >> Stratton via CnC-List >> Sent: February-23-15 21:07 >> To: 'Dennis C.'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main >> >> Dennis, >> >> Believe it or not I used that method out of desperation. I was admittedly a >> little embarrassed. I thought I was just demonstrating my lack of >> experience. I was also pretty happy with the result. I appreciate knowing >> otherwise. Newport has some pretty accomplished (and judgmental) sailors. >> There have been times I just gave up on the main and sailed with head sail >> only. This list is invaluable. Thanks >> >> I will look into the lazy jack system. I think it would be a reasonable >> upgrade to my rig. I am having the entire rig inspected soon. The rigger is >> going to pick it up in March. I?ll speak to them about this. Hopefully it >> cost less than all new self-tailing winches. >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. >> via CnC-List >> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:23 PM >> To: CnClist >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main >> >> Burt, >> >> Lazy jacks, Dutchman systems, etc. are all nice. I've installed several >> Harken Lazy Jack systems. >> >> However, try this simple cost free solution. This is what I do when single >> handing. >> >> Release the halyard and let the sail drop. Put a couple sail ties around >> your neck. Stand on one side of the boom in the middle and throw the main >> to the other side. Then lean over the boom and roll the sail into itself. >> Continue until it's a compact roll. Wrap a sail tie around the >> rolled/bundled sail tying it to the boom. >> >> Once you're anchored or docked, undo the roll and flake it nicely. >> >> I heard this technique described as "pocketing the main". >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> mandeville, LA >> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind? and helpful >> >> I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some >> sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and lowering of >> one?s mains?l >> >> I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen them >> on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of the >> main. The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when >> lowering or keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it >> might second as a topping lift. >> >> Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it >> something we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves? because we >> are sailors, after all) >> >> This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that >> specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat >> (roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge. >> >> 1974 C&C 33 - 3 quarter tonner >> On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow >> Walpole, MA >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cnc-2Dlist.com_mailman_listinfo_cnc-2Dlist-5Fcnc-2Dlist.com&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=tZVbZyCYCgvbTYbAkJ8bBnASBib4dFDFJe6iu1svntM&e= >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cnc-2Dlist.com_mailman_listinfo_cnc-2Dlist-5Fcnc-2Dlist.com&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=tZVbZyCYCgvbTYbAkJ8bBnASBib4dFDFJe6iu1svntM&e= >> >> > > Aries > 1990 C&C 34+ > New London, CT > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cnc-2Dlist.com_pipermail_cnc-2Dlist-5Fcnc-2Dlist.com_attachments_20150224_932f39c4_attachment.html&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=XEvxTUDpnpcog116sr2DVreMoxjKeN_ODJO2GW9Rtug&e= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: pastedGraphic.tiff > Type: image/tiff > Size: 6852 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cnc-2Dlist.com_pipermail_cnc-2Dlist-5Fcnc-2Dlist.com_attachments_20150224_932f39c4_attachment.tiff&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=MpIJNC6COTYSDscgpI2oVQPmIcThYVkL6TyzVcczgEE&e= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CnC-List mailing list > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cnc-2Dlist.com_mailman_listinfo_cnc-2Dlist-5Fcnc-2Dlist.com&d=AwICAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uo&m=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4ps&s=tZVbZyCYCgvbTYbAkJ8bBnASBib4dFDFJe6iu1svntM&e= > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 109, Issue 57 > ***************************************** _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
