Been looking into fuel polishing system for DejaVu. Going with a tee off fuel line engine side of Racor 500 & electric motor to pull fuel and put back into fuel tank. I think this will be not a complete fuel polishing system but significant upgrade. I consider this type of improvement similar to prop shaft spur cutter - it's there to avoid bigger problems which do happen ..
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Re: end of my search (Dave Godwin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 11:11:51 -0500 > From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> > To: "C&C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List end of my search > Message-ID: > <ca+zacrav_gbxtzr2t1auvo3oau+9mb_kgxkkdxq0q02-fh3...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Danny, > > When you say topside paint are you talking about the hull (freeboard, area > between the water and toe rail)? Or are you talking about the deck > (everything above the toe rail)? Either way you're probably looking at the > better part of $10k. > > For hull/freeboard paint I suggest that avoid the original Awlgrip (color > and clear coat in one shot) since blending a repair is such a challenge and > costly. The newer Awlgrip 2000 is easier to blend and repair and for boats > of this age is glossy enough despite not being a color and clear coat > combo... Just glossy color. Either way you will want to follow the > manufacturers care instructions closely. You might want to make sure your > discussion includes re-gelcoating as an alternative to paint. Many people > discount this as an option but it is one you might not have considered. > The PO had mine partially re-gelcoated and I'm happy with it's appearance > and it's care is "normal". Wash, polish, wax. > > When you say it needs a bottom job, what degree of bottom are you referring > to. Just a haul, block, and wash with a sand and paint is gonna be about > $1k. If you soda blast (or dry ice blast) then you're probably gonna need > a least a little fill and fare and then probably a barrier coat and bottom > paint which is also gonna push you close to $10k. If you get into > remediation such as smile and blister repair then you're almost guaranteed > $10k+ > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD >> On Sep 6, 2015 11:21 AM, "Juno via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Dave, thanks! I've read just about every article on this model and >> have been laying after one but I never thought all the stars would EVER >> align enough to actually own one! >> >> the wife is not overly enthused about the dark wood interior but she >> couldn't deny the exceptional value of this particular boat. I've got some >> work to do, mostly cosmetic, to make her as beautiful as she should be. >> the biggest issue is topside paint. It has an awlgrip job thats peeling >> terribly. the surveyor was trying to convince me to do it myself and go >> with white fur more forgiveness. I don't think I'd like to take on a job >> like that. It seems to big for one guy to on his own. I guess if I had it >> inside in my back yard all winter I might give it a shot. >> >> It's also in need of a bottom job. this will be my 3rd boat in desperate >> need of a bottom job. I'm going to try and have those 2 things done over >> this winter if I can get a reasonable price. >> >> does anyone have any idea what I might expect to pay for top sides and >> bottom job? >> >> geeze, I hope you guys don't mind me staying apart of the group now... >> lol. I'd be lost without you all! >> >> Danny >> closing soon! >> Massachusetts >> >> DJH >> On Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com>, Sep 6, 2015 4:41 AM wrote: >> >> Congratulations. There?s one sitting in my slip at my house right now. >> It?s owned by a Norwegian couple that have spent three (winter) seasons in >> the Bahamas on it. They?re currently prepping to do do it again with a stop >> in NYC before heading South. >> >> They?re planning on stopping back at our place on the way down and I?ll >> probably be crewing on the leg from the Chesapeake to Charleston, outside. >> Big, sturdy boat and all set up for offshore work, including a nice wind >> vane. Which I know absolutely nothing about.. >> >> If I were home I?d walk down and take a picture and send it to you but it >> will be gone by the time I get back. >> >> Cheers, >> Dave in BCN >> >>> On Sep 4, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> OK all. It's looking like we're going to be proud owners of a 1985 >> tartan 40. Survey went well we have come to terms on price, AND I had >> absolutely no problem with financing a 30 year old boat. All there is to >> do now is finalize paperwork and the yard down there is taking care of a >> few things for me! >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150906/3daf201b/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2015 09:21:21 -0700 (PDT) > From: svpegasu...@gmail.com <svpegasu...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel contamination > Message-ID: <000f4242.0ef064b006740...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > > > > On Pegasus I have a system that alows me to pump fuel through my filters, > then back to the tank. Not sure I would call it a fuel polisher. I put it in > after spending a hour trying to bleed the filters while under way. I have a > valve before the engine andafter the filters, and one that allows fuel to > return to the tank. For pumping I installed a small electric pump. I also > installed a canister Racor filter after the Racor 500. The 500 is 30micron > and the other is 2micron.?If you want a picture or more information email me, > to hard to post a decent picture here.? > > Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA. > > > > > ------ Original message------From: Mitchell's via CnC-List Date: Sun, Sep 6, > 2015 08:56To: CNC List;Cc: Mitchell's;Subject:Stus-List Fuel contamination > It just occurred to me that no one replied with a DIY fuel cleaning method. > Has anyone built their own polisher? I have considered a two filter system > with a bypass polisher but haven't had any issues and I don't use much fuel > either. It isn't complicated in theory. LenCrazy Legs1989 37+Sent from my > mobile device._______________________________________________Email > address:CnC-List@cnc-list.comTo change your list preferences, including > unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page > at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150906/9a61aeac/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2015 12:21:45 -0400 > From: djhaug...@juno.com > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel contamination > Message-ID: <aabl824a3ay2n...@smtpout01.dca.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi this issue is a concern for me as well. Now, on the boat we're buying, we > ran the engine for probably 2 - 3 hours throughout the weekend. Between > moving it to the lift and back during the survey and then out for a sea trial > we never shut it off and the engine ran beautifully the whole time. My > concern is that, they claim the boat never left the dock over last 5 years, > the fuel in the tank registers 3/4 full, and could very well be very old. > The surveyor showed little concern and just said to top it off and carry > extra filters. > > With that information, is there anything more I could/should do regarding > fuel? If the fuel were contaminated in some way would it have become > apparent during the time we ran the engine? > > Would adding another filter assembly, in line, be a good idea? > > Danny > Closing soon > MassachusettsOn Sep 6, 2015 11:55 AM, Mitchell's via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> It just occurred to me that no one replied with a DIY fuel cleaning method. >> Has anyone built their own polisher? I have considered a two filter system >> with a bypass polisher but haven't had any issues and I don't use much fuel >> either. >> >> It isn't complicated in theory. >> Len >> Crazy Legs >> 1989 37+ >> >> Sent from my mobile device. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2015 12:43:13 -0400 > From: djhaug...@juno.com > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List end of my search > Message-ID: <aabl825kcawel...@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi Josh! > > In considering topsides to be waterline to toe rail. I honestly would prefer > gel coat. I don't really understand the rush to paint. Gelcoat seems to > want to come back to life even after years of neglect. I thought that, > because she is painted already, I had no choice but to paint again. > > Bottom has many layers of bottom paint that are peeling off. I think she > need a clean start all the way back with barrier coat. > > I had this done on Lolita for around $2400 for the 2014 season, if I recall > properly. I guess that was a great price. I think I paid 800 for > sandblasting (yep they sandblasted) and then about 1600 for fixes, barrier > coat and bottom paint. I have to check my files to see how good my memory > is. I remember they gave me a 15% discount for scheduling and paying a 30% > deposit. > > The top sides on Lolita were painted by a PO and she was rolled and tipped > and I thought she looked absolutely fine. The hull was white. > > Maybe an inexpressive roll and tip job would be an answer to get sailing and > kick the can down the road a bit...?On Sep 6, 2015 12:11 PM, Josh Muckley via > CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Danny, >> >> When you say topside paint are you talking about the hull (freeboard, area >> between the water and toe rail)?? Or are you talking about the deck >> (everything above the toe rail)?? Either way you're probably looking at the >> better part of $10k. >> >> For hull/freeboard paint I suggest that? avoid the original Awlgrip (color >> and clear coat in one shot) since blending a repair is such a challenge and >> costly.? The newer Awlgrip 2000 is easier to blend and repair and for boats >> of this age is glossy enough despite not being a color and clear coat >> combo... Just glossy color.? Either way you will want to follow the >> manufacturers care instructions closely.? You might want to make sure your >> discussion includes re-gelcoating as an alternative to paint.? Many people >> discount this as an option but it is one you might not have considered.? The >> PO had mine partially re-gelcoated and I'm happy with it's appearance and >> it's care is "normal".? Wash, polish, wax. >> >> When you say it needs a bottom job, what degree of bottom are you referring >> to.? Just a haul, block, and wash with a sand and paint is gonna be about >> $1k.? If you soda blast (or dry ice blast) then you're probably gonna need a >> least a little fill and fare and then probably a barrier coat and bottom >> paint which is also gonna push you close to $10k.? If you get into >> remediation such as smile and blister repair then you're almost guaranteed >> $10k+ >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C&C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> >>> On Sep 6, 2015 11:21 AM, "Juno via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Dave, thanks!? I've read just about every article on this model and have >>> been laying after one but I never thought all the stars would EVER align >>> enough to actually own one!? >>> >>> the wife is not overly enthused about the dark wood interior but she >>> couldn't deny the exceptional value of this particular boat.? I've got some >>> work to do, mostly cosmetic, to make her as beautiful as she should be.? >>> the biggest issue is topside paint.? It has an awlgrip job thats peeling >>> terribly.? the surveyor was trying to convince me to do it myself and go >>> with white fur more forgiveness.? I don't think I'd like to take on a job >>> like that.? It seems to big for one guy to on his own.? I guess if I had it >>> inside in my back yard all winter I might give it a shot. >>> >>> It's also in need of a bottom job.? this will be my 3rd boat in desperate >>> need of a bottom job.? I'm going to try and have those 2 things done over >>> this winter if I can get a reasonable price. >>> >>> does anyone have any idea what I might expect to pay for top sides and >>> bottom job? >>> >>> geeze, I hope you guys don't mind me staying apart of the group now...? >>> lol. I'd be lost without you all! >>> >>> Danny >>> closing soon! >>> Massachusetts >>> >>> DJH >>> >>>> On Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com>, Sep 6, 2015 4:41 AM wrote: >>>> >>>> Congratulations. There?s one sitting in my slip at my house right now. >>>> It?s owned by a Norwegian couple that have spent three (winter) seasons in >>>> the Bahamas on it. They?re currently prepping to do do it again with a >>>> stop in NYC before heading South. >>>> >>>> They?re planning on stopping back at our place on the way down and I?ll >>>> probably be crewing on the leg from the Chesapeake to Charleston, outside. >>>> Big, sturdy boat and all set up for offshore work, including a nice wind >>>> vane. Which I know absolutely nothing about.. >>>> >>>> If I were home I?d walk down and take a picture and send it to you but it >>>> will be gone by the time I get back. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Dave in BCN >>>> >>>>> On Sep 4, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List >>>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> OK all.? It's looking like we're going to be proud owners of a 1985 >>>>> tartan 40.? Survey went well we have come to terms on price, AND I had >>>>> absolutely no problem with financing a 30 year old boat.? All there is to >>>>> do now is finalize paperwork and the yard down there is taking care of a >>>>> few things for me! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>> bottom of page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 12:09:10 -0500 > From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com> > To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List end of my search - painting topsides > Message-ID: > <canir+ytweqi1dwtkh0sgekoj4e6gxadcj0snjvka9vsvppa...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I had Touche' painted with Awlcraft rather than Awlgrip. Easier to blend > and repair than Awlgrip. > > I sanded the topsides and had a pro shoot the paint. Used a Hutchins > Hustler straight line sander. Took 3 coats of high build primer followed > by the Awlcraft. Looks awesome! > > The sander removed all imperfections in the hull. After 40 years, post > cure shrinkage caused the pattern of the roving to show. Now hull is > perfectly smooth. > > Using a disc sander requires a very steady hand and a lot of experience. > Inexperienced operators tend to rock and tilt a disc sander causing small > gouges in the surface. These gouges may be visible with very smooth shiny > paints. > > Dennis C. > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Hi Josh! >> >> In considering topsides to be waterline to toe rail. I honestly would >> prefer gel coat. I don't really understand the rush to paint. Gelcoat >> seems to want to come back to life even after years of neglect. I thought >> that, because she is painted already, I had no choice but to paint again. >> >> Bottom has many layers of bottom paint that are peeling off. I think she >> need a clean start all the way back with barrier coat. >> >> I had this done on Lolita for around $2400 for the 2014 season, if I >> recall properly. I guess that was a great price. I think I paid 800 for >> sandblasting (yep they sandblasted) and then about 1600 for fixes, barrier >> coat and bottom paint. I have to check my files to see how good my memory >> is. I remember they gave me a 15% discount for scheduling and paying a 30% >> deposit. >> >> The top sides on Lolita were painted by a PO and she was rolled and tipped >> and I thought she looked absolutely fine. The hull was white. >> >> Maybe an inexpressive roll and tip job would be an answer to get sailing >> and kick the can down the road a bit...?On Sep 6, 2015 12:11 PM, Josh >> Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> Danny, >>> >>> When you say topside paint are you talking about the hull (freeboard, >> area between the water and toe rail)? Or are you talking about the deck >> (everything above the toe rail)? Either way you're probably looking at the >> better part of $10k. >>> >>> For hull/freeboard paint I suggest that avoid the original Awlgrip >> (color and clear coat in one shot) since blending a repair is such a >> challenge and costly. The newer Awlgrip 2000 is easier to blend and repair >> and for boats of this age is glossy enough despite not being a color and >> clear coat combo... Just glossy color. Either way you will want to follow >> the manufacturers care instructions closely. You might want to make sure >> your discussion includes re-gelcoating as an alternative to paint. Many >> people discount this as an option but it is one you might not have >> considered. The PO had mine partially re-gelcoated and I'm happy with it's >> appearance and it's care is "normal". Wash, polish, wax. >>> >>> When you say it needs a bottom job, what degree of bottom are you >> referring to. Just a haul, block, and wash with a sand and paint is gonna >> be about $1k. If you soda blast (or dry ice blast) then you're probably >> gonna need a least a little fill and fare and then probably a barrier coat >> and bottom paint which is also gonna push you close to $10k. If you get >> into remediation such as smile and blister repair then you're almost >> guaranteed $10k+ >>> >>> Josh Muckley >>> S/V Sea Hawk >>> 1989 C&C 37+ >>> Solomons, MD >>> >>> On Sep 6, 2015 11:21 AM, "Juno via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Dave, thanks! I've read just about every article on this model and >> have been laying after one but I never thought all the stars would EVER >> align enough to actually own one! >>>> >>>> the wife is not overly enthused about the dark wood interior but she >> couldn't deny the exceptional value of this particular boat. I've got some >> work to do, mostly cosmetic, to make her as beautiful as she should be. >> the biggest issue is topside paint. It has an awlgrip job thats peeling >> terribly. the surveyor was trying to convince me to do it myself and go >> with white fur more forgiveness. I don't think I'd like to take on a job >> like that. It seems to big for one guy to on his own. I guess if I had it >> inside in my back yard all winter I might give it a shot. >>>> >>>> It's also in need of a bottom job. this will be my 3rd boat in >> desperate need of a bottom job. I'm going to try and have those 2 things >> done over this winter if I can get a reasonable price. >>>> >>>> does anyone have any idea what I might expect to pay for top sides and >> bottom job? >>>> >>>> geeze, I hope you guys don't mind me staying apart of the group now... >> lol. I'd be lost without you all! >>>> >>>> Danny >>>> closing soon! >>>> Massachusetts >>>> >>>> DJH >>>> >>>>> On Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com>, Sep 6, 2015 4:41 AM wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Congratulations. There?s one sitting in my slip at my house right now. >> It?s owned by a Norwegian couple that have spent three (winter) seasons in >> the Bahamas on it. They?re currently prepping to do do it again with a stop >> in NYC before heading South. >>>>> >>>>> They?re planning on stopping back at our place on the way down and >> I?ll probably be crewing on the leg from the Chesapeake to Charleston, >> outside. Big, sturdy boat and all set up for offshore work, including a >> nice wind vane. Which I know absolutely nothing about.. >>>>> >>>>> If I were home I?d walk down and take a picture and send it to you but >> it will be gone by the time I get back. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Dave in BCN >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 4, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> OK all. It's looking like we're going to be proud owners of a 1985 >> tartan 40. Survey went well we have come to terms on price, AND I had >> absolutely no problem with financing a 30 year old boat. All there is to >> do now is finalize paperwork and the yard down there is taking care of a >> few things for me! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Email address: >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150906/c31826dc/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 10:18:43 -0700 > From: Douglas Mountjoy <svpegasu...@gmail.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel contamination > Message-ID: > <CAOtKmcn=z+E4JLA0N0s98Lb18K=7nypumswcreslihy0xpu...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I would carry extra filters, and fill with fresh fuel. > Pegasus sat for a couple of years when I bought her. I didn't have any > issues with the fuel until I got into rough water, and stired up the fuel. > Now I change the filters once a year and have no issues. > > Doug Mountjoy > sv Pegasus > LF38 > Just west of Ballard, WA > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Hi this issue is a concern for me as well. Now, on the boat we're buying, >> we ran the engine for probably 2 - 3 hours throughout the weekend. Between >> moving it to the lift and back during the survey and then out for a sea >> trial we never shut it off and the engine ran beautifully the whole time. >> My concern is that, they claim the boat never left the dock over last 5 >> years, the fuel in the tank registers 3/4 full, and could very well be very >> old. The surveyor showed little concern and just said to top it off and >> carry extra filters. >> >> With that information, is there anything more I could/should do regarding >> fuel? If the fuel were contaminated in some way would it have become >> apparent during the time we ran the engine? >> >> Would adding another filter assembly, in line, be a good idea? >> >> Danny >> Closing soon >> MassachusettsOn Sep 6, 2015 11:55 AM, Mitchell's via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> It just occurred to me that no one replied with a DIY fuel cleaning >> method. Has anyone built their own polisher? I have considered a two filter >> system with a bypass polisher but haven't had any issues and I don't use >> much fuel either. >>> >>> It isn't complicated in theory. >>> Len >>> Crazy Legs >>> 1989 37+ >>> >>> Sent from my mobile device. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150906/d5d9a1c6/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 12:52:14 -0500 > From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> > To: "C&C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List end of my search - painting topsides > Message-ID: > <CA+zaCRDm0=zk+lpaedk7updwbdiny5_tbbpnrylff15hfak...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > So, a roll and tip job is cheap and would not be worthy of Awlgrip. > Awlcraft is the product I was suggesting for ease of repair. You could > probably DIY with a helper or two and get away for less than $1k. > > If the bottom doesn't show signs of blistering then i would simply sand and > feather the bottom. You're not racing. Wait for blistering to soda or ice > blast and new barrier coat. Again less than $1k. > > Josh > On Sep 6, 2015 1:09 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > >> I had Touche' painted with Awlcraft rather than Awlgrip. Easier to blend >> and repair than Awlgrip. >> >> I sanded the topsides and had a pro shoot the paint. Used a Hutchins >> Hustler straight line sander. Took 3 coats of high build primer followed >> by the Awlcraft. Looks awesome! >> >> The sander removed all imperfections in the hull. After 40 years, post >> cure shrinkage caused the pattern of the roving to show. Now hull is >> perfectly smooth. >> >> Using a disc sander requires a very steady hand and a lot of experience. >> Inexperienced operators tend to rock and tilt a disc sander causing small >> gouges in the surface. These gouges may be visible with very smooth shiny >> paints. >> >> Dennis C. >> >> On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Josh! >>> >>> In considering topsides to be waterline to toe rail. I honestly would >>> prefer gel coat. I don't really understand the rush to paint. Gelcoat >>> seems to want to come back to life even after years of neglect. I thought >>> that, because she is painted already, I had no choice but to paint again. >>> >>> Bottom has many layers of bottom paint that are peeling off. I think she >>> need a clean start all the way back with barrier coat. >>> >>> I had this done on Lolita for around $2400 for the 2014 season, if I >>> recall properly. I guess that was a great price. I think I paid 800 for >>> sandblasting (yep they sandblasted) and then about 1600 for fixes, barrier >>> coat and bottom paint. I have to check my files to see how good my memory >>> is. I remember they gave me a 15% discount for scheduling and paying a 30% >>> deposit. >>> >>> The top sides on Lolita were painted by a PO and she was rolled and >>> tipped and I thought she looked absolutely fine. The hull was white. >>> >>> Maybe an inexpressive roll and tip job would be an answer to get sailing >>> and kick the can down the road a bit...?On Sep 6, 2015 12:11 PM, Josh >>> Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Danny, >>>> >>>> When you say topside paint are you talking about the hull (freeboard, >>> area between the water and toe rail)? Or are you talking about the deck >>> (everything above the toe rail)? Either way you're probably looking at the >>> better part of $10k. >>>> >>>> For hull/freeboard paint I suggest that avoid the original Awlgrip >>> (color and clear coat in one shot) since blending a repair is such a >>> challenge and costly. The newer Awlgrip 2000 is easier to blend and repair >>> and for boats of this age is glossy enough despite not being a color and >>> clear coat combo... Just glossy color. Either way you will want to follow >>> the manufacturers care instructions closely. You might want to make sure >>> your discussion includes re-gelcoating as an alternative to paint. Many >>> people discount this as an option but it is one you might not have >>> considered. The PO had mine partially re-gelcoated and I'm happy with it's >>> appearance and it's care is "normal". Wash, polish, wax. >>>> >>>> When you say it needs a bottom job, what degree of bottom are you >>> referring to. Just a haul, block, and wash with a sand and paint is gonna >>> be about $1k. If you soda blast (or dry ice blast) then you're probably >>> gonna need a least a little fill and fare and then probably a barrier coat >>> and bottom paint which is also gonna push you close to $10k. If you get >>> into remediation such as smile and blister repair then you're almost >>> guaranteed $10k+ >>>> >>>> Josh Muckley >>>> S/V Sea Hawk >>>> 1989 C&C 37+ >>>> Solomons, MD >>>> >>>> On Sep 6, 2015 11:21 AM, "Juno via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Dave, thanks! I've read just about every article on this model and >>> have been laying after one but I never thought all the stars would EVER >>> align enough to actually own one! >>>>> >>>>> the wife is not overly enthused about the dark wood interior but she >>> couldn't deny the exceptional value of this particular boat. I've got some >>> work to do, mostly cosmetic, to make her as beautiful as she should be. >>> the biggest issue is topside paint. It has an awlgrip job thats peeling >>> terribly. the surveyor was trying to convince me to do it myself and go >>> with white fur more forgiveness. I don't think I'd like to take on a job >>> like that. It seems to big for one guy to on his own. I guess if I had it >>> inside in my back yard all winter I might give it a shot. >>>>> >>>>> It's also in need of a bottom job. this will be my 3rd boat in >>> desperate need of a bottom job. I'm going to try and have those 2 things >>> done over this winter if I can get a reasonable price. >>>>> >>>>> does anyone have any idea what I might expect to pay for top sides and >>> bottom job? >>>>> >>>>> geeze, I hope you guys don't mind me staying apart of the group >>> now... lol. I'd be lost without you all! >>>>> >>>>> Danny >>>>> closing soon! >>>>> Massachusetts >>>>> >>>>> DJH >>>>> >>>>>> On Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com>, Sep 6, 2015 4:41 AM wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Congratulations. There?s one sitting in my slip at my house right >>> now. It?s owned by a Norwegian couple that have spent three (winter) >>> seasons in the Bahamas on it. They?re currently prepping to do do it again >>> with a stop in NYC before heading South. >>>>>> >>>>>> They?re planning on stopping back at our place on the way down and >>> I?ll probably be crewing on the leg from the Chesapeake to Charleston, >>> outside. Big, sturdy boat and all set up for offshore work, including a >>> nice wind vane. Which I know absolutely nothing about.. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I were home I?d walk down and take a picture and send it to you >>> but it will be gone by the time I get back. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Dave in BCN >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 4, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OK all. It's looking like we're going to be proud owners of a 1985 >>> tartan 40. Survey went well we have come to terms on price, AND I had >>> absolutely no problem with financing a 30 year old boat. All there is to >>> do now is finalize paperwork and the yard down there is taking care of a >>> few things for me! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Email address: >>>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>> bottom of page at: >>>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>> bottom of page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150906/3d9b1d7a/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2015 19:53:57 +0200 > From: Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List end of my search > Message-ID: <dc104675-5956-43cd-844f-22362bea3...@me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Danny, > > If you decide to recondition your hull surfaces I would suggest, per Josh and > Dennis, using AwlCraft 2000 or something similar for the reasons that they > state, ease of repair. It?s softer than AwlGrip but repairable. My > understanding is that you should get 10 years without having to re-paint but > I?m guessing, having a similar paint on my old Mako 261, that it will look > nice far longer than that before having to start compounding and polishing. > > I?ve never heard of anyone re-applying gelcoat to a hull but that?s probably > just my lack of exposure to other hull covering methods. My experience is > that gelcoat is only going ?look? nice for 2-4 years before starting to fade > and chalk. Especially if it is a darker color. Many of the newer, very > expensive boats come painted from the factory. Paint looks better, is easier > to maintain and lasts longer IMHO. That said, if you were to start the > compound/polish process on your existing gelcoat, working up through the > grits you can get a pretty nice looking hull. The wax will last about half a > sailing season and you?ll need to redo the same process every spring. > > Which is one reason why I, or rather, my complaining shoulder sockets, > decided to paint the hull with AwlCraft 2000 this year. > > If you decide to paint, get some quotes and have them describe exactly what > they will do for the amount quoted. I think that for anything less than > $15,000 to paint a 40? hull, you?ll be getting a pretty quick and basic paint > job. Most likely the yard will do a quick sanding of the surface and a few > minor repairs before shooting. My paint job, which included some repairs but > a great deal of sanding and board filing, raised boot stripes and a > shear-stripe in a different color was at the quote mentioned above. I will > say that for that price I got a ?Hinckley? quality hull job. > > When it comes to deck painting, even though I already knew the answer, when I > asked the yard about doing mine they were quick to reply, ?No way??. They > just can?t make any money on that sort of job. From my discussions with the > painter and my on-going experience, it could rise to be three times the > amount to complete. My boat would NEED to be a Hinckley in order to justify > that expense. > > So, not to be troubled with actually sailing my boat, I embarked on a journey > to paint my decks. A big project but I?ve never been smart enough not to take > on a fool?s errand. Like Dennis mentioned, sanding technique is key. After > sanding and repair work, I?ll be spraying Awlgrip?s 545 epoxy primer. This > will cover sanding marks down to 80-grit. I?m going to shoot the decks with > AwlCraft 2000. I?m looking forward to it but if that is something that is too > daunting, roll-and-tip is a good way to go. Using a white?ish color will help > with the look of the final job. Don?t forget to take into account that you > will most likely need to redo the non-skid. > > As far as bottom work goes, I?m not finished with that but I had my bottom > blasted for $1,200 last Fall. The rest of the work when done will be charged > at my yard rate of $0.00/hour so it shouldn?t break the bank... > > Cheers, > Dave Godwin > 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin > Reedville - Chesapeake Bay > Ronin?s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/> >> On Sep 6, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Josh! >> >> In considering topsides to be waterline to toe rail. I honestly would >> prefer gel coat. I don't really understand the rush to paint. Gelcoat >> seems to want to come back to life even after years of neglect. I thought >> that, because she is painted already, I had no choice but to paint again. >> >> Bottom has many layers of bottom paint that are peeling off. I think she >> need a clean start all the way back with barrier coat. >> >> I had this done on Lolita for around $2400 for the 2014 season, if I recall >> properly. I guess that was a great price. I think I paid 800 for >> sandblasting (yep they sandblasted) and then about 1600 for fixes, barrier >> coat and bottom paint. I have to check my files to see how good my memory >> is. I remember they gave me a 15% discount for scheduling and paying a 30% >> deposit. >> >> The top sides on Lolita were painted by a PO and she was rolled and tipped >> and I thought she looked absolutely fine. The hull was white. >> >> Maybe an inexpressive roll and tip job would be an answer to get sailing and >> kick the can down the road a bit...?On Sep 6, 2015 12:11 PM, Josh Muckley >> via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> Danny, >>> >>> When you say topside paint are you talking about the hull (freeboard, area >>> between the water and toe rail)? Or are you talking about the deck >>> (everything above the toe rail)? Either way you're probably looking at the >>> better part of $10k. >>> >>> For hull/freeboard paint I suggest that avoid the original Awlgrip (color >>> and clear coat in one shot) since blending a repair is such a challenge and >>> costly. The newer Awlgrip 2000 is easier to blend and repair and for boats >>> of this age is glossy enough despite not being a color and clear coat >>> combo... Just glossy color. Either way you will want to follow the >>> manufacturers care instructions closely. You might want to make sure your >>> discussion includes re-gelcoating as an alternative to paint. Many people >>> discount this as an option but it is one you might not have considered. >>> The PO had mine partially re-gelcoated and I'm happy with it's appearance >>> and it's care is "normal". Wash, polish, wax. >>> >>> When you say it needs a bottom job, what degree of bottom are you referring >>> to. Just a haul, block, and wash with a sand and paint is gonna be about >>> $1k. If you soda blast (or dry ice blast) then you're probably gonna need >>> a least a little fill and fare and then probably a barrier coat and bottom >>> paint which is also gonna push you close to $10k. If you get into >>> remediation such as smile and blister repair then you're almost guaranteed >>> $10k+ >>> >>> Josh Muckley >>> S/V Sea Hawk >>> 1989 C&C 37+ >>> Solomons, MD >>> >>>> On Sep 6, 2015 11:21 AM, "Juno via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Dave, thanks! I've read just about every article on this model and >>>> have been laying after one but I never thought all the stars would EVER >>>> align enough to actually own one! >>>> >>>> the wife is not overly enthused about the dark wood interior but she >>>> couldn't deny the exceptional value of this particular boat. I've got >>>> some work to do, mostly cosmetic, to make her as beautiful as she should >>>> be. the biggest issue is topside paint. It has an awlgrip job thats >>>> peeling terribly. the surveyor was trying to convince me to do it myself >>>> and go with white fur more forgiveness. I don't think I'd like to take on >>>> a job like that. It seems to big for one guy to on his own. I guess if I >>>> had it inside in my back yard all winter I might give it a shot. >>>> >>>> It's also in need of a bottom job. this will be my 3rd boat in desperate >>>> need of a bottom job. I'm going to try and have those 2 things done over >>>> this winter if I can get a reasonable price. >>>> >>>> does anyone have any idea what I might expect to pay for top sides and >>>> bottom job? >>>> >>>> geeze, I hope you guys don't mind me staying apart of the group now... >>>> lol. I'd be lost without you all! >>>> >>>> Danny >>>> closing soon! >>>> Massachusetts >>>> >>>> DJH >>>> >>>>> On Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com>, Sep 6, 2015 4:41 AM wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Congratulations. There?s one sitting in my slip at my house right now. >>>>> It?s owned by a Norwegian couple that have spent three (winter) seasons >>>>> in the Bahamas on it. They?re currently prepping to do do it again with a >>>>> stop in NYC before heading South. >>>>> >>>>> They?re planning on stopping back at our place on the way down and I?ll >>>>> probably be crewing on the leg from the Chesapeake to Charleston, >>>>> outside. Big, sturdy boat and all set up for offshore work, including a >>>>> nice wind vane. Which I know absolutely nothing about.. >>>>> >>>>> If I were home I?d walk down and take a picture and send it to you but it >>>>> will be gone by the time I get back. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Dave in BCN >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 4, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List >>>>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> OK all. It's looking like we're going to be proud owners of a 1985 >>>>>> tartan 40. Survey went well we have come to terms on price, AND I had >>>>>> absolutely no problem with financing a 30 year old boat. All there is >>>>>> to do now is finalize paperwork and the yard down there is taking care >>>>>> of a few things for me! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Email address: >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>>> bottom of page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150906/48ec5a12/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CnC-List mailing list > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 116, Issue 15 > ***************************************** _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
