I have bought a line lifter for my Barrient 27 from Australia fairly reasonable.
Harald
Spirit 35 mk3
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1. Re: Barient 28ST on EBay (Joel Aronson)
2. Re: Toerail mounted stanchion bases (John and Sue Fletcher)
3. C&C Spinnaker Pole Lift install (Alex Wolfe)
4. Re: Looking for recommendation on 33 mkii Genoa size
(dwight veinot)
5. Re: Toerail mounted stanchion bases (dwight veinot)
6. Re: Looking for recommendation on 33 mkii Genoa size
(Robert Boyer)
7. Re: C&C Spinnaker Pole Lift install (dwight veinot)
8. Re: Looking for recommendation on 33 mkii Genoa size (Hoyt, Mike)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:59:24 -0500
From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barient 28ST on EBay
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Petar,
Barient parts:
http://www.arco-winches.com/products/spares
not cheap or fast!
Bacon Sails has a few parts on the shelf. not sure which size winch they
fit. They are probably closed today due to the snow, but give Gavin a call.
(Taught sailing out of Stanley's as a kid)
Joel
Annapolis
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Speaking of those, I had broken off the tailing part many years ago on one
> of my 28ST.
>
> Does anyone have any idea on how to go about replacement that does not
> involve purchasing a pair of ST winches of the same size. Cause I fear
> after investing 800$ to get a used replacement, I can see myself in the
> same predicament after few years.
>
>
>
> Petar Horvatic
>
> Sundowner
>
> 76 C&C 38MkII
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> On the hard at Stanley?s in Barrington, RI.
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:25:04 -0500
From: "John and Sue Fletcher" <jfletche...@cogeco.ca>
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I moved mine on our 33-1 nine years ago and was very happy. That three inches
makes a huge difference. The bases i used also angled the stanchions a little
outboard which gives you a much more open feel swinging past the shrouds and
moving around on the foredeck. Be aware the life lines will likely be too
short mine were but I knew that going in and since it was time to upgrade them
anyway it allowed me to relocate the stanchions to put the gates where I wanted
them. I do have to be a little careful docking on fingers with vertical posts
as it is possible to hook a stanchion on a post if wind and waves are alligned
John Fletcher CnC 33-1 Peregrine
From: Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List
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I'm going to paint and re-nonskid my deck when the weather stabilizes and was
considering the value of moving the stanchions outboard to mount on the
toerail. I was under the impression that the toerail mounted bases would be
screwed into the rail using the same holes but a longer bolt. Not the case
said Holland Marine when I was inquiring. You must drill new holes thru your
rail to use the new bases. Is this right? Has anyone done this? My toerail
holes are 3.94" on center. In addition to the cost($450 USD), this sounds like
a ton of work to add a couple of inches to the side decks and MAYBE get a
better sheet lead. Any thoughts or opinions appreciated.
Barbara L. Hickson
"Flight Risk" C&C 33-1
Chas., SC.
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Hello CNC 24 owners and other experts,I am going to rig the hardware necessary
to fly the chute which came with the boat. What I don't have is a fitting on
the mast to accommodate a shackle for the pole topping lift, a ring or track
and car, nor a foreguy/downhaul pad eye. I am not sure what fitting and
mounting procedure would be best, especially for the topping lift fitting. I
am a little reluctant about drilling into the mast.
Your help would be greatly appreciated.
?Thanks,
Alex WolfeC&C 24 ShakaMiami, FL
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:19:39 -0400
From: dwight veinot <dwight...@gmail.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for recommendation on 33 mkii Genoa
size
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Well Mike Hoyt, I sail in Nova Scotia too, St. Margaret's Bay mostly good
winds, 15-25 apparent from SW most days and I have a RF Doyle 135%
crosscut, 8 oz with tuff luff, high cut and if or when I ever buy another
new head sail for Allianna, my old 35 MKII, I will definitely be going for
less than 135%; in fact a good 110 is what I think would suit me just
fine...there are a lot of advantages to a smaller headsail, and IMHO very
few for a larger LP headsail if one is just out for a fun sail in such
conditions as we mostly have around here in summer/fall, cruising for fun
in retirement I mean but for racing I would be lost without a 150 when the
apparent drops below about 15 kts, I know that, but who cares, it's sort of
nice some days to roll a similarly rated boated to weather while sailing
single handed when that other boat is overpowered and wondering why Alianna
is so fast...on a 33 II, a very stiff boat, maybe a 135 would be a good all
purpose sail but the crew, husband and wife for example will have to work
harder and I bet one of them would likely wish for a smaller headsail most
of the time
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Doug
>
>
>
> Most new sails will be priced in US dollars. That will make a RF 125 cost
> approximately $1,000,000 CAD.
>
>
>
> Persistence is a Frers 33 which is very similar to the CC33-2. For RF we
> have a 100% pentex with taffeta both sides and an older square weave dacron
> 155 which seems a bit blown out. When not doing much with the boat we
> leave the 100 on the furler. It is underpowered for most conditions. When
> racing we take the sails off the furler and use our Kevlar 155, 140 and the
> RF 100 (no on furler).
>
>
>
> If I were to have one goto furling sail it would be a 135.
>
>
>
> We sail in Nova Scotia. Winds sound similar
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Doug
> Welch via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 24, 2016 5:16 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* doug.we...@rogers.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Looking for recommendation on 33 mkii Genoa size
>
>
>
> Thanks all for your input. To answer some of your questions. The boat does
> have a furler. Most of the time it will be my wife and I, we both crew on
> friends boats for racing. I have several Susan Hoods and LO300s under my
> belt including the big wind year. Generally on Lake on Ontario we get 15-25
> Kn in the spring and late fall, 10-15 in June and July and 5-10 in August
> and Sept. The boat came with a 120 and 135 in decent shape, so i will
> probably mess about with those next season before pulling the trigger on a
> new sail.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 24, 2016 12:54 PM, Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> We're on Lake Huron with our 33 Mk II. We have a 155, a 130, and a 95.
> The 155 is great for those quiet summer days, the 130 in spring and fall
> and only used the 95 once late last fall for the single handed challenge.
> I'd suggest a 130 for cruising, if you're only going to have one. You
> didn't mention whether or not you had a furler. I've seen many partially
> furl their large Genoa in heavier winds.
>
> Brad
>
> "Pulse" 1985 C&C 33 Mk II
>
> I'd rather be sailing
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:22:26 -0400
From: dwight veinot <dwight...@gmail.com>
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too much work and expense for very little gain, but if you like it do it
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> I'm going to paint and re-nonskid my deck when the weather stabilizes and
> was considering the value of moving the stanchions outboard to mount on the
> toerail. I was under the impression that the toerail mounted bases would be
> screwed into the rail using the same holes but a longer bolt. Not the case
> said Holland Marine when I was inquiring. You must drill new holes thru
> your rail to use the new bases. Is this right? Has anyone done this? My
> toerail holes are 3.94" on center. In addition to the cost($450 USD), this
> sounds like a ton of work to add a couple of inches to the side decks and
> MAYBE get a better sheet lead. Any thoughts or opinions appreciated.
> Barbara L. Hickson
> "Flight Risk" C&C 33-1
> Chas., SC.
>
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 15:25:27 -0500
From: Robert Boyer <dainyr...@icloud.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for recommendation on 33 mkii Genoa
size
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I recently bought new sails for my LF 38 for on the Chesapeake and in the
Bahamas and I went with a 135 and plan on furling it on the roller furler at
times when I want to reduce sail area. I do not race my boat.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer
> On Jan 25, 2016, at 3:19 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Well Mike Hoyt, I sail in Nova Scotia too, St. Margaret's Bay mostly good
> winds, 15-25 apparent from SW most days and I have a RF Doyle 135% crosscut,
> 8 oz with tuff luff, high cut and if or when I ever buy another new head sail
> for Allianna, my old 35 MKII, I will definitely be going for less than 135%;
> in fact a good 110 is what I think would suit me just fine...there are a lot
> of advantages to a smaller headsail, and IMHO very few for a larger LP
> headsail if one is just out for a fun sail in such conditions as we mostly
> have around here in summer/fall, cruising for fun in retirement I mean but
> for racing I would be lost without a 150 when the apparent drops below about
> 15 kts, I know that, but who cares, it's sort of nice some days to roll a
> similarly rated boated to weather while sailing single handed when that other
> boat is overpowered and wondering why Alianna is so fast...on a 33 II, a very
> stiff boat, maybe a 135 would be a good all purpose sail but the crew,
> husband and wi
fe for example will have to work harder and I bet one of them would likely
wish for a smaller headsail most of the time
>
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
>
>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> Most new sails will be priced in US dollars. That will make a RF 125 cost
>> approximately $1,000,000 CAD.
>>
>>
>>
>> Persistence is a Frers 33 which is very similar to the CC33-2. For RF we
>> have a 100% pentex with taffeta both sides and an older square weave dacron
>> 155 which seems a bit blown out. When not doing much with the boat we leave
>> the 100 on the furler. It is underpowered for most conditions. When racing
>> we take the sails off the furler and use our Kevlar 155, 140 and the RF 100
>> (no on furler).
>>
>>
>>
>> If I were to have one goto furling sail it would be a 135.
>>
>>
>>
>> We sail in Nova Scotia. Winds sound similar
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Doug
>> Welch via CnC-List
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 5:16 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: doug.we...@rogers.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for recommendation on 33 mkii Genoa size
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks all for your input. To answer some of your questions. The boat does
>> have a furler. Most of the time it will be my wife and I, we both crew on
>> friends boats for racing. I have several Susan Hoods and LO300s under my
>> belt including the big wind year. Generally on Lake on Ontario we get 15-25
>> Kn in the spring and late fall, 10-15 in June and July and 5-10 in August
>> and Sept. The boat came with a 120 and 135 in decent shape, so i will
>> probably mess about with those next season before pulling the trigger on a
>> new sail.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 24, 2016 12:54 PM, Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> We're on Lake Huron with our 33 Mk II. We have a 155, a 130, and a 95. The
>> 155 is great for those quiet summer days, the 130 in spring and fall and
>> only used the 95 once late last fall for the single handed challenge. I'd
>> suggest a 130 for cruising, if you're only going to have one. You didn't
>> mention whether or not you had a furler. I've seen many partially furl their
>> large Genoa in heavier winds.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> "Pulse" 1985 C&C 33 Mk II
>>
>>
>> I'd rather be sailing
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:28:58 -0400
From: dwight veinot <dwight...@gmail.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C Spinnaker Pole Lift install
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Check out the way it's done on some other boats, really you can get by with
just a ring on the mast for the inboard end of the pole...you will need to
rig a pole topping lift and also have a block on the deck for the downhaul
and separate winches for the sheets (guys)...i loved my triradial spinnaker
when I had my C&C 24, made Bathsheba really slippery (fast) downwind and
really nice for longer legs...just go looking around until you see
something that might work for you, then play around and find the gear you
need...sounds like this might be your first go with a kite so get some
experienced hands on board to help if you can
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Alex Wolfe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Hello CNC 24 owners and other experts,
>
> I am going to rig the hardware necessary to fly the chute which came with the
> boat. What I don't have is a fitting on the mast to accommodate a shackle for
> the pole topping lift, a ring or track and car, nor a foreguy/downhaul pad
> eye. I am not sure what fitting and mounting procedure would be best,
> especially for the topping lift fitting. I am a little reluctant about
> drilling into the mast.
>
>
> Your help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex Wolfe
> C&C 24 Shaka
> Miami, FL
>
>
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 20:32:06 +0000
From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for recommendation on 33 mkii Genoa
size
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Dwight
Yup I believe you. St Margaret?s Bay is a windy area compared with rest of the
province. Likely windier than most areas in Lake Ontario region as well
Mike
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
veinot via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 4:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: dwight veinot
Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for recommendation on 33 mkii Genoa size
Well Mike Hoyt, I sail in Nova Scotia too, St. Margaret's Bay mostly good
winds, 15-25 apparent from SW most days and I have a RF Doyle 135% crosscut, 8
oz with tuff luff, high cut and if or when I ever buy another new head sail for
Allianna, my old 35 MKII, I will definitely be going for less than 135%; in
fact a good 110 is what I think would suit me just fine...there are a lot of
advantages to a smaller headsail, and IMHO very few for a larger LP headsail if
one is just out for a fun sail in such conditions as we mostly have around here
in summer/fall, cruising for fun in retirement I mean but for racing I would be
lost without a 150 when the apparent drops below about 15 kts, I know that, but
who cares, it's sort of nice some days to roll a similarly rated boated to
weather while sailing single handed when that other boat is overpowered and
wondering why Alianna is so fast...on a 33 II, a very stiff boat, maybe a 135
would be a good all purpose sail but the crew, husband and wife
for example will have to work harder and I bet one of them would likely wish
for a smaller headsail most of the time
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net<mailto:d.ve...@bellaliant.net>
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Doug
Most new sails will be priced in US dollars. That will make a RF 125 cost
approximately $1,000,000 CAD.
Persistence is a Frers 33 which is very similar to the CC33-2. For RF we have
a 100% pentex with taffeta both sides and an older square weave dacron 155
which seems a bit blown out. When not doing much with the boat we leave the
100 on the furler. It is underpowered for most conditions. When racing we
take the sails off the furler and use our Kevlar 155, 140 and the RF 100 (no on
furler).
If I were to have one goto furling sail it would be a 135.
We sail in Nova Scotia. Winds sound similar
Mike
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for recommendation on 33 mkii Genoa size
Thanks all for your input. To answer some of your questions. The boat does have
a furler. Most of the time it will be my wife and I, we both crew on friends
boats for racing. I have several Susan Hoods and LO300s under my belt including
the big wind year. Generally on Lake on Ontario we get 15-25 Kn in the spring
and late fall, 10-15 in June and July and 5-10 in August and Sept. The boat
came with a 120 and 135 in decent shape, so i will probably mess about with
those next season before pulling the trigger on a new sail.
Cheers,
Doug
On Sunday, January 24, 2016 12:54 PM, Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
We're on Lake Huron with our 33 Mk II. We have a 155, a 130, and a 95. The 155
is great for those quiet summer days, the 130 in spring and fall and only used
the 95 once late last fall for the single handed challenge. I'd suggest a 130
for cruising, if you're only going to have one. You didn't mention whether or
not you had a furler. I've seen many partially furl their large Genoa in
heavier winds.
Brad
"Pulse" 1985 C&C 33 Mk II
I'd rather be sailing
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