As a side comment to the SOS signals post, there are several dimensions to be considered. One is between what is needed according to regulations and what is really needed in a real life situation. We all know by now that the gap between regulations and reality is only increasing. You need to have a set of safety devices as required by the governing bodies but that doesn't me mean they will do anything for you in a life-threatening situation. The most publicized account of how useless most of the so called offshore safety devices are can be found in the Sydney Hobart Yacht Race tragedy of 1998. From jack-lines to tethers and lifejackets, to flares and even life-rafts, major flaws and failures were reported. This was an event where all major Australian SAR units off the east coast were in the air or waterborne to assist, imagine that you are thousands of miles offshore on your own, in need of help.
In my opinion, we now should emply the best technology has to offer when it comes to communication. The purpose of a light or a flare is to communicate, to attract attention to our position, but it is an antiquated product which produces very limited results. Many ships will pass by and only pure luck will make them turn your way and offer help. The truth is these ships power through the night on autopilot, with their crews glancing on their AIS and radar screens once in a while, while the CPA and TCPA alarms are set for big targets. A simple VHF call with a position could save your life. For me personally, I always take into account 2 priorities, first personal survival, so I need water, food, first aid. Secondly, communication. A PLB/AIS device and a hand-held VHF are worth more than all the flares you can carry. If I were in northern waters I would choose a survival suit equipped with a PLB over a liferaft. In the tropics, a good hypalon dinghy will do, given that my EPIRB/PLB has been activated. We spend thousands of dollars on safety equipment that not only sits there idle and only needs to be replaced regularly, but it may even be useless in a real case scenario. I was once fined by a young and over-zealous Coast Guard officer for having a horse-shoe shaped lifebuoy instead of the ring-shaped one. I went to Canadian Tire and bought a plastic ring the following day, and passed by the Coast Guard to validate it. They said I was legal at that point. However, only our son could get his body inside the ring, none of us adults could have used it, but was perfectly legal. Just a few thoughts on safety onboard. Use satellite beacons, and keep your flares for the beach barbeque. Sent from my iPad > On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:37 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: SOS signals - LED light to replace flares? (Nauset Beach) > 2. Re: SOS signals - LED light to replace flares? (Della Barba, Joe) > 3. Awful vibration (Jean-Francois J Rivard) > 4. Re: SOS signals - LED light to replace flares? (Dennis C.) > 5. Re: SOS signals - LED light to replace flares? (Dreuge) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 07:46:09 -0400 > From: "Nauset Beach" <nausetbe...@optonline.net> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List SOS signals - LED light to replace flares? > Message-ID: <006001d1c6fb$873678c0$95a36a40$@optonline.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Active Captain had a sale through Defender for this light last Labor Day and > I bought one so I know I am "legal" should some flares slip past the 36 > month expiration. The June / July BoatUS Magazine has an article on > signaling devices [flares / LED / lasers] and the LED received a below > average grade. > > I agree with Jonathan that it is unlikely anyone would notice or know what > it is and still keep a bag of flares on board, both USCG and SOLAS. > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo > via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 4:22 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Indigo <ind...@thethomsons.us> > Subject: Re: Stus-List SOS signals - LED light to replace flares? > > Might be a "no brainier" financially, would you really want to rely on an > orange flag to draw attention to yourself if in trouble during the day? > While I know we'd all have vhf radios as well, I'd rather have flares - and > even at night I doubt if many bozo's on the water would even know what a > flashing ... ---... would even mean!! > > -- > Jonathan > Indigo C&C 35III > SOUTHPORT CT > >>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 00:16, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> An orange distress flag for daytime (which is included) and you meet the > regs > > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:52:49 +0000 > From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> > To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List SOS signals - LED light to replace flares? > Message-ID: > <65b3df404fac41c1a1528185f56cd...@nsc-dag3-06.ba.ad.ssa.gov> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The SOS flag IMHO would only work if you lit it on fire. I doubt *anyone* > knows what they are. The LED flare thing would likely be OK if someone was > already looking for you, but once again I doubt all that many people would > notice it or know what it was. > If you just need to meet a reg, the LED flare is a good idea. If you want to > actually get found, only SOLAS flares are worth having. A 12 gauge meteor > flare is barely noticeable if you know where to look and know it is about to > go off. A SOLAS flare lights up the sky bright enough to read by. > > Joe Della Barba > DCSI > 410-966-7255 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nauset > Beach via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 07:46 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Nauset Beach > Subject: Re: Stus-List SOS signals - LED light to replace flares? > > Active Captain had a sale through Defender for this light last Labor Day and > I bought one so I know I am "legal" should some flares slip past the 36 month > expiration. The June / July BoatUS Magazine has an article on signaling > devices [flares / LED / lasers] and the LED received a below average grade. > > I agree with Jonathan that it is unlikely anyone would notice or know what it > is and still keep a bag of flares on board, both USCG and SOLAS. > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo via > CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 4:22 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Indigo <ind...@thethomsons.us> > Subject: Re: Stus-List SOS signals - LED light to replace flares? > > Might be a "no brainier" financially, would you really want to rely on an > orange flag to draw attention to yourself if in trouble during the day? > While I know we'd all have vhf radios as well, I'd rather have flares - and > even at night I doubt if many bozo's on the water would even know what a > flashing ... ---... would even mean!! > > -- > Jonathan > Indigo C&C 35III > SOUTHPORT CT > >>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 00:16, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> An orange distress flag for daytime (which is included) and you meet >> the > regs > > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 13:38:46 +0000 > From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard" <jfriv...@us.ibm.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List Awful vibration > Message-ID: > > <ofedec2463.9a90bae4-on00257fd3.004af598-1465997926...@notes.na.collabserv.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > >> >> >> +1 on double checking the pitch. When I had my Martec refurbished I was told >> by Martec that my original blades were under pitched and I bought new blades >> with higher pitch.. >> >> After a year of chasing vibration checking everything with no success I >> finally had my old blades machined to fit the new pivot and slapped them >> on.. Problem solved! >> >> Cavitation was the culprit. The offending blades were also pretty badly >> pitted which corroborated the cavitation theory. >> >> Good luck with it >> >> -Francois >> >> 1990 34+ "Take Five" >> Lake Lanier GA >> >> >> >> Sent from IBM Verse > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160615/91bbb99d/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:04:13 -0500 > From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com> > To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List SOS signals - LED light to replace flares? > Message-ID: > <canir+yvyhxj-aklfxha5q+xd914im0cgkwnrxmdcnbd17mc...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hmmmm. Some good points. > > So we don't think Bubba Redneck would realize what a light flashing "Dit > Dit Dit Dah Dah Dah Dit Dit Dit" means? I'd be better off buying a neon > beer sign. > > I think I agree. If I buy one, I'll keep my flares. > > Anybody want to design a circuit that makes an anchor light flash SOS? > > Dennis C. > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> The SOS flag IMHO would only work if you lit it on fire. I doubt *anyone* >> knows what they are. The LED flare thing would likely be OK if someone was >> already looking for you, but once again I doubt all that many people would >> notice it or know what it was. >> If you just need to meet a reg, the LED flare is a good idea. If you want >> to actually get found, only SOLAS flares are worth having. A 12 gauge >> meteor flare is barely noticeable if you know where to look and know it is >> about to go off. A SOLAS flare lights up the sky bright enough to read by. >> >> Joe Della Barba >> DCSI >> 410-966-7255 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nauset >> Beach via CnC-List >> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 07:46 >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Cc: Nauset Beach >> Subject: Re: Stus-List SOS signals - LED light to replace flares? >> >> Active Captain had a sale through Defender for this light last Labor Day >> and I bought one so I know I am "legal" should some flares slip past the 36 >> month expiration. The June / July BoatUS Magazine has an article on >> signaling devices [flares / LED / lasers] and the LED received a below >> average grade. >> >> I agree with Jonathan that it is unlikely anyone would notice or know what >> it is and still keep a bag of flares on board, both USCG and SOLAS. >> >> Brian >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo >> via CnC-List >> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 4:22 AM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Cc: Indigo <ind...@thethomsons.us> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List SOS signals - LED light to replace flares? >> >> Might be a "no brainier" financially, would you really want to rely on an >> orange flag to draw attention to yourself if in trouble during the day? >> While I know we'd all have vhf radios as well, I'd rather have flares - >> and even at night I doubt if many bozo's on the water would even know what >> a flashing ... ---... would even mean!! >> >> -- >> Jonathan >> Indigo C&C 35III >> SOUTHPORT CT >> >>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 00:16, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> An orange distress flag for daytime (which is included) and you meet >>> the >> regs >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160615/c389bc0c/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 10:37:01 -0400 > From: Dreuge <dre...@gmail.com> > To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List SOS signals - LED light to replace flares? > Message-ID: <9bb4d547-6b90-4868-b9f1-aa14244fa...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Here is a nice review of the Sirius Signal SOS C-1001 LED at Panbo. > > > http://www.panbo.com/archives/2015/09/one_led_flare_replaces_us_required_pyros_sirius_signal_but_not_ocean_signal.html > > > > > - > Paul E. > 1981 C&C 38 Landfall > S/V Johanna Rose > Carrabelle, FL > > http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ > >> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:35 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: >> >> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 22:11:53 -0500 >> From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com <mailto:capt...@gmail.com>> >> To: CnClist <CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com>> >> Subject: Stus-List SOS signals - LED light to replace flares? >> Message-ID: >> <CANir+yuAeKtDyHJ_NYt81+Ea-LmLbPnM1-iRHR1-LoKfL=d...@mail.gmail.com >> <mailto:CANir+yuAeKtDyHJ_NYt81+Ea-LmLbPnM1-iRHR1-LoKfL=d...@mail.gmail.com>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Marinebeam says this light will replace pyrotechnic flares for a night >> signaling device. Are they correct? What would you use for a day signal? >> >> < >> https://store.marinebeam.com/led-flare-visual-distress-signal-never-buy-flares-again/ >> >> <https://store.marinebeam.com/led-flare-visual-distress-signal-never-buy-flares-again/> >> >> Anybody have one of them? >> How would one convince a Coastie they are legal? >> What day >> >> Dennis > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160615/b69d40be/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CnC-List mailing list > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 125, Issue 96 > ***************************************** _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. 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