Do you have any way to take the parts to a machinist? I'm fascinated by the things a good machinist can do and the problems they can solve.
Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Jul 5, 2016 4:20 PM, "S Thomas via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I just got off the phone with the Edson factory, and while they did take a > look for me, it was to no avail. > According to the person I talked to, they have been cleaning house every > couple of years, and getting rid of the replacement parts that are not > selling. > Taking up too much valuable space to keep all of it. So that was that. > > Anyway, I have found out a few things that may be of some help to others. > > The cable in this application is of particularly large diameter because > the clutch lever on the Yanmar "YSE, YSB, and YSM" series of one cylinder > engines requires a lot of force to actuate. He said that Edson does not > stock anything at all for cables that size any more. The ends have a 5/16 - > 24 thread. From grabbing the lever by hand, free of the cable, it is about > all I can do to work it. Got to be around 40 pounds. It is not difficult > from friction, it is a spring force that must be overcome to toggle it. My > cable is getting stiff too, but this must be why it was so big to start > with. > > I have found exact replacements for the cable from a few sources. > Some part numbers are as follows: > > Morse D37912-4 120 IN, this is the one in the boat, series D37912, 4 > inches of travel, 120 inches overall length. Baum hydraulics can make up a > cable with the same core and characteristics. They are an industrial > supplier, and the industrial side of the Morse/Teleflex cable business was > separated from Teleflex marine products in the course of a few recent > ownership changes involving private equity firms. Teleflex now operates as > "SeaStar Solutions", still in British Colombia, at least for now. > > The same size cable, but with a lower friction core construction, is the > Teleflex Extreme (TFXtreme) series 6400CC or CCX643xx which is the part > number pattern, where "xx" is the length in feet. Depends on the supplier > which number they are using. You have to make sure to be careful with the > part numbers (also CC695xx is the same from yet another supplier), as there > are similar ones with bulkhead instead of clamp fittings on one end. The > Teleflex cable sounds preferable, at a cost of $247 Canadian here in > Ontario, or US$ 147 plus shipping etc. from GO2 Marine in the Eastern U.S. > This is for a 10 foot cable of the same diameter and fitting requirements > as what is in the boat now. > > > http://www.go2marine.com/product/242306F/6400cc-tfxtreme-control-cables.html > > > http://www.baumhydraulics.com/files/infobuild/morse_clamp_and_clamp_push_pull_cables.pdf > > It might just be possible to install a clutch lever in the side of the > cockpit, and run a solid rod or tubular linkage to the clutch lever. The > cost would be about the same if the geometry works. Will probably try to > patch the existing part at least temporarily, but it is pretty clear that > it won't last without at least replacing the cable. Like everything else, > there are trade offs. > > Steve Thomas > C&C27 MKIII > Port Stanley, ON > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Chuck Gilchrest <csgilchr...@comcast.net> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2016 20:34 > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Shift Cable Clamp woes > > Steve, > When I worked at Edson several years ago there was a few cable clamps left > in inventory. You will need to call Edson direct on Tuesday to get one > since this part has been discontinued for decades. Replace your cable at > the same time because the reason the cable clamp broke was trying to hold a > stiff rusty cable in place. If you don't replace the cable, you'll simply > break the new clamp soon after installation. Edson also has a service > bulletin on this control assembly (model 747 IIRC)they can send to you > electronically. > Chuck Gilchrest > S/V Half Magic > 1983 LF 35 > Padanaram, MA > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 2, 2016, at 8:17 PM, S Thomas via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > That is it, although the part in question is not visible in those photos. > I have been able to draw the cable and associated parts out through the > top, but I am still trying to figure out what to do next. > It is not hard to imagine any number of ways to make a clamp, but to make > one which will be strong enough to do the job and also fit back in the tube > presents a real challenge. > I see no obvious way to improve on the original part, and the original > being made of stamped stainless steel, it will not be easy to duplicate or > repair. > > Steve Thomas > C&C27 MKIII > Port Stanley, ON > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Michael Brown via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Michael Brown <m...@tkg.ca> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2016 19:36 > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Shift Cable Clamp woes > > Does your setup look like this? > > http://www.moyermarine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7005 > > If so the part I think you are referring to I have not been able to locate. > I have considered making a spare, a project that hasn't got to the top > of the todo list yet. > > Michael Brown > Windburn > C&C 30-1 > > Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 10:32:14 -0400 > From: "S Thomas" <sthom...@bellnet.ca> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Stus-List Shift Cable Clamp woes > Message-ID: <8C564B7AC9E049FCB7FCE655B472320D@mordor> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > My 1978 C&C27 has the type of shifter and throttle cable assembly that is > external to the Edson pedistal, and mounted on a pair of 1 inch stainless > tubes. > Yesterday the cable clamp on the shifter cable broke (under a lift bridge, > enroute to a race start...) and I have not been able to find any reference > this particlar part anywhere. > For the cable itself there are sources, but that does not help with this > particular problem. > The clamp has already been welded once, but to try that again would > require it to be welded in situ, which is tricky at best, given the fact > that it is thin stainless steel and immediately adjascent to the plastic > parts of the cable. I have a lot of respect for the welding skill of > whoever did the original repair. > The part consists of stamped sheet metal, formed so that it fits into the > annular detent on the shift cable and wraps around the cable. The ends of > the sheet metal strap have right angle tabs that interleave to form an > overall "D" shape, with a round head machine screw threaded through the > flat surface into a flat stainless steel bar and into the annular detent on > the cable. The bar extends up about 8 inches and is similarly fastened by a > screw through the casting at the top. The whole thing: cable, strap, and > clamp, is stuffed down inside the 1 inch stainless tubing when assembled. > > If anyone else has been down this road, I sure would like to hear how you > handled it. > A source for the part would be great. > I have had no luck with online searches so far. > > Steve Thomas > C&C27 MKIII > Port Stanley, ON > > P.S. - The rest of my sailing club is yucking it up across the lake, and > having a great time in Ashtabula, OH. > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. 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