"That boat loves it when the wind pipes up" 

You were so right, Mike. Raced in 25 kt. gusts again tonight for the second 
time in two weeks, and won for the second time in two weeks. Carried full main 
and 155% genoa with six bodies on the rail and couldn't get a rail in the water 
or induce a round-up or feel excessive weather helm. Gapped the fleet from the 
start and beat the next boat by at least a minute. 

She does love the stronger wind. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Mike via CnC-List Hoyt" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: "Mike Hoyt" <mike.h...@impgroup.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 6:20:58 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1 



If gusty and triangles and boats are “trying to stay in control or reduce 
weather helm” then bodies on the rail will keep you powered up and fast. 
Otherwise you will need a main trimmer to work very closely with helm to keep 
you on your feet 



If you JAM is triangles and everyone is at hull speed then you do not really 
require to be in spin class since there are no DDW legs and the 30 with a large 
genoa should always be moving. 



That boat loves it when the wind pipes up. Put some bodies on board and on the 
rail and do not reef too early and you will kick but on triangle JAM courses. 
Once you get bored of that and when you have 6 persons then try switching to WL 
with the spin 



Mike 




From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy 
Stafford via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 1:49 AM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net 
Subject: Stus-List Racing a 30-1 





Hi All, 





I'd welcome any opinions you might like to share on racing a 30-1. As mentioned 
in the other thread on handicapping JAM boats, I have a choice of racing my 
(new to me) 30-1 in a spinnaker boat division or a non-spinnaker boat division 
(my boat is rigged for spinnaker). We have ten-week series in my club, and I'd 
have to stay in one division for a whole series (but could switch divisions 
between series). We also have occasional one and two-day weekend races in which 
I'd have to choose a division. 





>From what I see in 
>http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2014%20PHRF%20Handicaps%20Data.pdf
> , it looks like a 30-1 usually gets a PHRF rating of 174, which would be the 
>third-lowest rating in my club. We've got a Capri-25 at 173, and an F-240s at 
>170. 





One of my questions is how many crew are advisable for racing a 30-1, with 
spinnaker or without. On smaller boats (Capri-22s, J/22s, Merit 25s) we'd race 
and fly spinnaker with three crew - helm, trimmer, and foredeck. A fourth could 
come in handy in heavy air. I've gotten a couple indications that I should have 
maybe twice that number for a 30-1. What are the typical crew positions on a 
30-1? If it makes any difference, my spinnakers have dousing socks. 





I race on a lake in Colorado. The spinnaker division courses are upwind / 
downwind, and the non-spinnaker division courses are triangles. We generally 
try to set courses so that races last 60-90 minutes. Weather-wise we have 
varied conditions from night to night. Some nights are frickin' gusty, with 
Colorado afternoon and evening thunderstorms. Some nights are light air and we 
run out of beer before finishing :) Several times a year we get really good 
conditions - a steady 15-20 kt. breeze in which everyone's at hull speed and 
and trying to stay in control and / or reduce weather helm. Sea state is not 
really an issue, except for some powerboat wake and chop. 





If there were more light-air nights in a series than heavy-air nights, would a 
30-1 perform better against its PRHF on a triangle course, or on an upwind / 
downwind course? How many crew (some experienced, some not, all still 
reasonably agile) are needed to handle a 30-1 safely under spinnaker in gusty 
or heavy-air conditions? 





Thanks in advance for any opinions. 





Best Regards, 


Randy Stafford 


S/V Grenadine 


C&C 30 MK1 #7 


Ken Caryl, CO 

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