My understanding of the situation is as follows:
Unless something has quietly changed quite recently, international rules
require licenses for both operators and vessels. Countries are within their
rights to add or subtract rules within their own territorial jurisdictions.
Canadian pleasure craft operators are required to have a Restricted Operator's
Certificate (Maritime) at home and abroad. An endorsement is required on the
operator's certificate if the vessel is equipped with a DSC enabled radio. A
station license is not required for Canadian pleasure craft operating in
Canadian waters. MMSI registration is not a license.
I don't think that either U.S. pleasure craft operators, or U.S. pleasure
craft, are required to have any sort of license to operate within U.S.
territorial waters.
All vessels in international waters, or when entering foreign waters, are
required to follow international rules by default, which include a requirement
for both operator and station licenses. So since we lack specific agreements or
legislation to the contrary, we are legally bound to follow the international
rules with respect to licensing of both operators and vessels when in each
other's countries.
At least that is my take on it. Having to pay an annual fee for a station
license on a pleasure craft is just another example of parasitic government
bureaucracy in my opinion. It serves no useful purpose.
Steve Thomas
(Canadian in Florida)
---- Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Steve,
Is it that you need a station licence? I think it is an operator licence that
you require for operating VHF (and you need one if you have a VHF on board). If
I remember correctly from the course I took a few years back, that licence is
valid across the border, provided that it is valid in your local jurisdiction.
For sure your MMSI has to be valid for international waters (so, in case of the
US, you need an FCC licence).
And I think, if you have SSB, it is a totally different story.
Marek
In Ottawa, ON
-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: Stus-List AIS and MMSI as well as marine radio use in Canada
What Fred said is correct.
His comments usually are.
I would add that the station license requirement was supposed to have been
eliminated for border area waters by an agreement between Canada and the United
States that was awaiting the final formality in the approval process when the
911 terrorist attacks occurred. In the ensuing freak out, the U.S.government
refused to finalize the agreement, and that was that. I have never heard of
anyone getting in trouble for not having a pleasure craft station license on
the Great Lakes, but all it would take is one unreasonable enforcement officer.
Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON
Port Stanley, ON
---- Frederick G Street via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Glenn — technically, yes, you do need a Ship’s Station license to use VHF,
radar, AIS, SSB, etc. outside the U.S. The BoatUS-issued MMSIs are good only
in territorial US waters. But like Andrew said, you most likely won’t be asked
for it.
The form you need is FCC 605; it is used for a variety of licensing (like
aircraft and amateur radio), so you have to make sure to fill out the
appropriate sections. The FCC online forms website is pretty good; I used it
last month to renew my license: https://www.fcc.gov/fcc-form-605
<https://www.fcc.gov/fcc-form-605>
— Fred
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(
> On Apr 9, 2017, at 5:12 PM, Glenn Gambel via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
> If a boat crosses from the United States in to Canada and stops at a
> Canadian port, must the vessel (sailboat) have a ships station license from
> the FCC? I believe the answer is yes. Also, if the vessel has AIS and MMSI,
> I believe that is necessary to have a ship station license and have the MMSI
> issued by the FCC so that it meets the international treaty requirements.
>
> I thought someone out there would know if I am correct or incorrect.
>
> Also where I might find the correct forms on the FCC website, if they are
> needed.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Glenn Gambel
> C&C 36
> Wind N Spirits
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