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Hi all, have not been on post for awhile. Sailed
to Bermuda to meet an online date, that's
another story, the man keeps his Gulfstar ketch
on mooring in Cotuit MA. and since home, I've
been relishing the benefits of a better sailing
boat where I can make decisions (even if my C&C
is only 33'). If it weren't for my input, we
would have landed in Montauk coming back. Great
trip tho. Bermuda has changed very little in the
20 years since my last sail there. The popular
spots are more touristy but still plenty of off
track good watering holes. Saw a pilot whale
coming back, very close to the boat. Crown jewel
of the trip. The races were good, very exciting
to be so close to Oracle and that other boat.
Tried to find Rick Brass, who I saw from the
passage list was going, but the captain and crew
were not very socialable and that's an
understatement. New Englanders, I was told, have
a far different attitude. They threw trash into
the ocean. ð. Even tho I won't be seeing them
again, I'm glad I went and now I know and it
only took 3 weeks! Americas Cup was a bucket list â
.
All is good down here in the south land, and the
daily subtropical rain pattern should be letting up on a few weeks.
That's all for now. As you were! ððª
Haha!
Barbara Hickson
"Flight Risk" 33-1
Charleston SC
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1. Re: Rigid boom vangs - rivets vs screws NOW feckless
meanderings (Ronald B. Frerker)
2. Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery (Chris Hobson)
3. feckless meanderings - Dylan (G Collins)
4. Re: Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery (RANDY)
5. Re: feckless meanderings - Dylan (Jerome Tauber)
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 16:46:56 +0000 (UTC)
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"I am younger than that now."
Must be a Dylan fan.Does he have any songs about
sailboats? ?Anything we can adapt to old
C&Cs?Finally had a day under 90 F friday and
went out sailing. ?Winds at 20 with gusts as
high as 28mph; used my 160% genny only and it
was a great choice, although tacking took a
while. ?Once through the tack, the wind just
kept blowing the bow down. ?Had to gain speed
and nurse it back to windward. ?Downwind was a blast!RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid boom vangs - rivets vs screws
Too funny. After my post favoring SS rivets, I
get to Touch? today to see 1/4 inch Phillips
machine screws on the vang bracket. :)
Well, it was many years ago when I installed it; I am younger than that now.?
Dennis C.
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One thing to remember about the Garhauer vang is
that the attachment to both the mast and the
boom are custom made for the boat (you send them
the profile of the mast and boom when you order
the vang), and the plates attached to the mast
and boom wrap significantly around the spars.
(On my 25 about half of the boom is cradled in
the attached plate. ) So the fasteners
connecting the plate to the spar are under
primarily shear loading, not tensile. ?For this
sort of configuration, the additional cross
section of the machine screw (or cap screw, if
you use those) would seem the better choice. If,
however, you have something like a Boomkicker,
or a vang with ?generic? mounting plates that
don?t curve around the spars, rivets might be a
better choice. ?Rick BrassImzadi? C&C 38 mk2
#47la Belle Aurore? C&C 25 mk1 #225Washington,
NC ?BTW, both have Garhauer vangs. ?
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Need to wire the bilge pump direct to the
battery and bypass the distribution panel.
Currently have to turn battery on for it to
work. Simple enough, just not something I've
done before. Has anyone wired this or know how
to install a switch (3-way) to do so? No I'm not
an electrician and yes I'm aware of the consequences of electricity.
Chris Hobson
s/v Going
1980 C&C 30 MK1
Hull #615
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 20:33:16 +0000
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Subject: Stus-List feckless meanderings - Dylan
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The song Mr. Tambourine Man does have the line
"take me on a trip upon your magic swirlin'
ship", and there is a C&C here with the name Magic Swirlin' Ship
Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2017-07-30 1:46 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List wrote:
"I am younger than that now."
Must be a Dylan fan.
Does he have any songs about sailboats? Anything we can adapt to old C&Cs?
Finally had a day under 90 F friday and went out
sailing. Winds at 20 with gusts as high as
28mph; used my 160% genny only and it was a
great choice, although tacking took a
while. Once through the tack, the wind just
kept blowing the bow down. Had to gain speed
and nurse it back to windward. Downwind was a blast!
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL
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Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid boom vangs - rivets vs screws
Too funny. After my post favoring SS rivets, I
get to Touch? today to see 1/4 inch Phillips
machine screws on the vang bracket. :)
Well, it was many years ago when I installed it; I am younger than that now.
Dennis C.
Sent from my iPhone
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wrote:
One thing to remember about the Garhauer vang is
that the attachment to both the mast and the
boom are custom made for the boat (you send them
the profile of the mast and boom when you order
the vang), and the plates attached to the mast
and boom wrap significantly around the spars.
(On my 25 about half of the boom is cradled in
the attached plate. ) So the fasteners
connecting the plate to the spar are under
primarily shear loading, not tensile.
For this sort of configuration, the additional
cross section of the machine screw (or cap
screw, if you use those) would seem the better
choice. If, however, you have something like a
Boomkicker, or a vang with ?generic? mounting
plates that don?t curve around the spars, rivets might be a better choice.
Rick Brass
Imzadi C&C 38 mk2 #47
la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1 #225
Washington, NC
BTW, both have Garhauer vangs.
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Hi Chris,
I just did that this year. It's straightforward.
You just have to have all the supplies and
tools. On my 30-1 the three-way switches for the
bilge pumps (I have two) are mounted under the
galley sink, through the plywood separating the
starboard lazaret from the space under the
galley sink. If you mount your switch there,
you'll need a drill and jigsaw to cut a hole for the switch.
Then you'll need some ring terminals matching
the size of your battery's studs and the size of
your wire. If the wiring on your switch and pump
is 16-gauge like mine, it's easiest to get bulk
16-gauge wire in red and black. You'll need some
16-gauge butt connectors to connect the wires on
the back of the switch to the wires on the pump
and to the wire run over to the battery. And
you'll need a wire cutter, wire stripper, and a crimping tool.
In my case since I have two batteries and two
pumps, I mounted terminal strips enclosed in
junction boxes to the plywood near the batteries
(port side), and near the switches (starboard
side). I connected the positive studs of both
batteries to one terminal strip, and the
negative studs to the other. Then I did one run
of red and black over to the terminal strips on
the starboard side where the pump switch leads
connected. And of course you'll want some cable
clamps to run the wires neatly and keep them in place.
You can get all the stuff you need at West
Marine, though the tools are probably less
expensive elsewhere. I think I bought my crimper
at Harbor Freight. And a good reference on boat
electrical systems is
<https://www.amazon.com/Caseys-Complete-Illustrated-Sailboat-Maintenance/dp/0071462848>https://www.amazon.com/Caseys-Complete-Illustrated-Sailboat-Maintenance/dp/0071462848
- I recommend it.
Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Subject: Stus-List Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery
Need to wire the bilge pump direct to the
battery and bypass the distribution panel.
Currently have to turn battery on for it to
work. Simple enough, just not something I've
done before. Has anyone wired this or know how
to install a switch (3-way) to do so? No I'm not
an electrician and yes I'm aware of the consequences of electricity.
Chris Hobson
s/v Going
1980 C&C 30 MK1
Hull #615
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Boots Of Spanish Leather
WRITTEN BY: BOB DYLAN
Oh, I?m sailin? away my own true love
I?m sailin? away in the morning
Is there something I can send you from across the sea
From the place that I?ll be landing?
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> On Jul 30, 2017, at 4:33 PM, G Collins via
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>
> The song Mr. Tambourine Man does have the
line "take me on a trip upon your magic
swirlin' ship", and there is a C&C here with the name Magic Swirlin' Ship
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>> On 2017-07-30 1:46 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List wrote:
>> "I am younger than that now."
>>
>> Must be a Dylan fan.
>> Does he have any songs about
sailboats? Anything we can adapt to old C&Cs?
>> Finally had a day under 90 F friday and went
out sailing. Winds at 20 with gusts as high as
28mph; used my 160% genny only and it was a
great choice, although tacking took a
while. Once through the tack, the wind just
kept blowing the bow down. Had to gain speed
and nurse it back to windward. Downwind was a blast!
>> Ron
>> Wild Cheri
>> C&C 30-1
>> STL
>>
>> From: Dennis C. via CnC-List
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>> To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Dennis C. <<mailto:capt...@gmail.com>capt...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 5:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigid boom vangs - rivets vs screws
>>
>> Too funny. After my post favoring SS rivets,
I get to Touch? today to see 1/4 inch Phillips
machine screws on the vang bracket. :)
>>
>> Well, it was many years ago when I installed
it; I am younger than that now.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2017, at 9:08 AM, Rick Brass via
CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> One thing to remember about the Garhauer
vang is that the attachment to both the mast
and the boom are custom made for the boat (you
send them the profile of the mast and boom when
you order the vang), and the plates attached to
the mast and boom wrap significantly around the
spars. (On my 25 about half of the boom is
cradled in the attached plate. ) So the
fasteners connecting the plate to the spar are
under primarily shear loading, not tensile.
>>
>> For this sort of configuration, the
additional cross section of the machine screw
(or cap screw, if you use those) would seem the
better choice. If, however, you have something
like a Boomkicker, or a vang with ?generic?
mounting plates that don?t curve around the
spars, rivets might be a better choice.
>>
>> Rick Brass
>> Imzadi C&C 38 mk2 #47
>> la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1 #225
>> Washington, NC
>>
>> BTW, both have Garhauer vangs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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