We lived through this discussion a long time ago at very great length.
We do not need to re-litigate it again. We were all originally on a
group hosted by Sailnet. Sailnet changed hands, and we were essentially
left homeless. At that time, we had a long debate about where to go.
Google really didn't exist then. The big player was Yahoo. There were a
few other options, including staying with the new owners of Sailnet,
even though they had dumped our archives. Having been burned badly by
allowing someone else to host us, we were all very happy to have Stu
provide us a stable home, where some outside bean-counter would never
again have the option to exterminate us, and throw our content in the
trash. Stu has done an amazing job all these years, and at one time
mentioned that there was a succession plan in place. Anyone who thinks
this is in any way a "business" for Stu should just go back out whatever
door they came in. He has put an enormous amount of time and effort into
keeping us together, and I would be shocked if the bottom line has not
been a bit of red ink for him. Stu has formal arrangements for use of
the official C&C material on his website and use of the logo for various
items he occasionally makes available as modest fund raisers. The
founders and principal players of the old C&C have expressed gratitude
for Stu's efforts in keeping their legacy alive. Our old C&C's are also
more saleable, and at a higher price, thanks to Stu's generous work.
Bill Bina
On 10/26/2017 12:54 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote:
Stu, Thank you for what you do. No offense intended, but this is my
perspective:
Mike,
I have lots of stuff on Google drives. This does not make it Google's
property. This email list, in support of a brand of sailboats, is
a Community of people who share a common passion. I personally do not
think one person should own, control, and profit? from the experiences
shared by many, for free, in support of a brand of sailboats we all love.
God forbid something happens to Stu, but if it did this list would
evaporate unless there is a succession plan that I am unaware of. Stu
does not own the intellectual property on this list and does not own
any part or version of the actual C&C brand to my knowledge. If
anything we should be sending money to Rob Ball, Cuthbertson's family,
etc. for the designs they labored over and executed so well.
Cloud storage is /storage/. That's all.
I have asked twice about what it costs to run the list. An answer
hasn't been provided.
Thank you.
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 5:26 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
This is stus list and moving to cloud may make it their list.
I have met people through this list that I have later met in
person who are now friends. I have met people who I have never met
in person who are friends I have solved engine problems due to
input from this list and learned that cows do better foredeck work
than me. I have learned a lot.
This list is stus and we have all benefited. Moving to cloud makes
it not stus. I am happy to support for all the c&cs my family and
i have owned or sailed on and the ones that are not c&c. I believe
strongly that this list is so good because of Stu
I also wonder if cows live on foredeck in Mexico
Mike Hoyt
The most consistent not currently c&c poster
The biggest interloper
One of the strongest believers in what Stu has built
1987 non c&c
Persistence
Out of the water today
Halifax, ns
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